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 11-26-2003, 08:36 Post: 69674
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 JD 4410 hydrostatic trouble

I've been looking through all the messages and it seems that many of you know more than my JD dealer. I've been having problems with the all amazing e-hydro since the day I bought it. When changing directions, (reverse to forward, or forward to reverse) the tractor pauses and then jumps to where it should have been. It's almost like it has to think about what I tell it to do, and then suddenly decides its OK. It makes no difference if I floor it, or just move the pedal to creep forward, the jerk is the same. It's kind of difficult to look like you know what your doing when your head is getting ripped of your shoulders all the time. The problem is hardly noticable when the tractor is still cold, which is why the dealer still hasn't got it fixed. You would think they would take the time to warm it up after trying to fix a problem for the 8th time. This jerk only happens when changing direction. If i travel forward, stop, and then continue forward, its smooth as silk. Same thing going backwards. Does anyone have some info that I can beat my dealer over the head with? (no "should have bought a kubota" please.) The service guys have been doing their best, but they have an order they have to follow for waranty work, so its really JD itself that i think sucks in this case. Help?






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 11-26-2003, 08:50 Post: 69676
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 JD 4410 hydrostatic trouble

Chris, it sounds like it has to be in the reverser valve. If it was fluid (viscosity) or pump related it would happen every time it pauses. Just to be sure though you should try going forwards (or back), then shift only as far as neutral, then back to the same direction and see if you can reproduce the problem.

If there is a pressure test port in the system downstream of the reverser valve I would put a gauge on it and one before, then reproduce the problem. this will tell you whether the valve is the culprit, or the entire system is getting pressure surges.

Best of luck.






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 11-26-2003, 09:26 Post: 69680
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you have a loss of pressure when changing directions. Tough part is, could it be the electronics, I doubt it, it but it still could be do to the types of shift, but I still would go with a split before they might find it.






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 11-26-2003, 09:30 Post: 69681
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What position is the motion match switch set to?






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 11-26-2003, 15:17 Post: 69710
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If it changes with the motion match then it might be electric!






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 11-26-2003, 17:38 Post: 69717
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Off the top of my head I can think of 3 things and I have posted one above. The other is a bad sensor or a bad potentiometer in the foot pedals. Is the malfunction light flashing when the tractor behaves like this. If it is write down the flash sequence and call the dealer to find out what they are.






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 11-26-2003, 21:22 Post: 69741
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Chris, What is your serial number? Some of the earlier 4410's had a glitch in the controller that required replacing the controller and then recalibrating it. If yourlast six digits are under 141272, that may solve your problem. Refer your dealer to service bulletin 03-11-35-01.






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 11-26-2003, 22:26 Post: 69744
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jdgreen, My serial # ends in 141129. Did all of these units have this problem or just the occasional problem. Mine is jerky in a sense but I have just become used to it and take it easy on the pedals, nice and slow. I am satisfied and happy with mine but now I wonder if an upgrade would make it function even better. I will run it by the shop tech at the dealer. Can't hurt to ask.






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I will take my 4410 out and try operating it in the manor you say you are encountering this problem and see what mine does.






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 11-27-2003, 07:06 Post: 69763
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I'm curious if this lag and jerk when reversing occurs at all ground speeds or mostly at higher ones. Is there a lag if the tractor is stopped and then reversed? Is there noticeably braking when speed pedal off when going down hill with a load? Is there any reason to think that the filters and screen need changing?

I'm not likely to come with an explanation for HST's but these questions might help people who know about HST's to suggest ideas. Without really knowing, a wild guess is that hydraulics have to be managed when reversing at any speed and the controller likely handles that. There may be some cavitation in the system that results in the problem.






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