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kthompson
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2008-10-21          157412


I have grave concerns on the future of the US in regards to the possible results of the elections on Nov 4th.

Most anyone who owns a tractor is a thinking person. But think carefully on the total and not just the glimmer and really listen to what is said and not just sound bites. This father and grandfather has real concerns for his children and grands and am asking each of you who believe in prayer to pray carefully for our USA.

May God continue to Bless the USA..and with our effots he may. kt

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2008-10-21          157416


All thinking people share your concern, but a problem with the devotion approach is that there are millions of others who are praying even more carefully to their God for His help in destroying the USA. ....

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2008-10-21          157417


Auerbach,

I agree with all you said. The other day saw a lady from Canada who was on tv here talking about our election. Not sure now who interviewed her but she knew the truth better than many of the US citizens. Sad. kt ....

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2008-10-21          157418


We just finished a Canadian federal election to choose one of five parties. The issue for many of us was which was the least worst. You have two, both so top-notch that it must be hard to decide who's the better.

If I may offer an outsider's opinion, with one as president, America will be more respected, with the other, more feared. And maybe your country and the world needs the latter for a while. ....

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2008-10-21          157419


We'll be voting this weekend using our fraud prone mail-in ballot system. Oregon is happy to have many newly registered voters, and I'm proud to have my vote counted along with the votes of illegal aliens, excited puppies and dead goldfish. ....

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2008-10-22          157449


Amazing how so much fraud can be committed by a party of supposed openness and fairness isn't it. The practice dates back decades, I recall even Kennedy's election had implications but Nixon overlooked them and said the country would be best off moving forward and throwing the elections into turmoil.

What makes some folks think that someone else is responsible for them other than themselves? To me, that is no more than a surrender. I can't support myself or my family so you will help me. Freedom has responsibilities.

I have prayed that our country is returned to its moral foundation. There may be other people around the world praying to their God, but, as they say, there can be only one.



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2008-10-23          157456


I remember a time (no SO long ago) in which one presidential candidate would win in a landslide decision........not even close. Remember Reagan and Mondale? Mondale won just one State.......his home State of Minnesota.

Well, that is no longer the case. Today we have candidates who run neck-and-neck, with one on them winning by a nose.......or even by U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Why is this? The answer is simple. There is so little difference between the two candidates, and between the two parties, that we are essentially voting for candidates who hold the same views on every issue, making for an election that is based solely on a popularity contest. Policy is no longer an issue in these elections.

It would really help if we had a clear choice to make. Unfortunately, for all of us, we no longer have that option. We have our choice of voting for the Devil, or the Devil's son. Pick your evil.

For this reason, I'll be voting for a third party candidate.

Joel ....

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2008-10-23          157458


Cando - I couldn't agree with you more - we have ourselves to blame. Everyone is so focused on bashing the other party and in the end it makes no difference - it's a circus. Not a single mention of policy on this thread - just nay saying, a mirror image of all the liberal press and conservative talk shows you care to listen to or read. They don't help or inform they just fan the flames of fanatic ignorance.

We are no longer respected in the world and no longer feared either, one thing we can count on is diminished US importance in a global economy where we are increasingly isolated and at odds with everyone else.

Obama, McCain - who cares we will have the same crappy administration that panders to the political and wealthy elite while the folk in the old boys club laugh at us arguing about stupid and irrelevant topics like Gun Control and Abortion rights that serve to distract our attention from the fact that we don't really have a say in our government anymore and we don't have enough money to join the club that does. ....

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2008-10-23          157462


I partially agree with you both. I myself am voting for a third party candidate since I am a libertarian, but living where I live and knowing it is going to Obama, my choice is easy.

Right-on with the two subjects you mention AB, the government has no right to interfere with either. But that same mentality should extend to personal responsibility as well. At this point, we have a huge voting block that is casting a vote for "benefits". Even the lawyers have "benefits".


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2008-10-23          157463


Cutter,

I forget who said this.........

"A government that robs from Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul."

How true.

Government's goal, of course, is to create a situation in which Peter is greatly outnumbered. Our government has succeeded in this endeavor.

Joel ....

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2008-10-24          157472


Help my memory here..during the Republican Presidential primary did not the liberial media support him? ....

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2008-10-24          157477


Absolutely they did, and if you recall, the reasoning was that he would split the party, making his defeat much easier than a straight conservative. Also predicted was the media turning on him after his win, which they have. ....

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2008-10-25          157482


I think there is a considerable difference between the candidates. I agree that what they say is all just a chess match to get the voters. That will all change when they get in office. But the off-the-cuff unplanned remarks and personal backgrounds is what tells you what decisions they will make in office. And do you want a congress that can actually pass laws next term or have a check and balance? On this last question I have not decided which is better.

However I made my choice of candidates long ago. There is no proof of character stronger than a person who will not leave his buddies behind, even while being tortured. If McCain had his young face again he would win hands-down.
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2008-10-25          157483


Crunch,

When Congress is in session, every man's property is at risk.

The best we can hope for is a divided Congress, in which nothing gets done. A "do-nothing" Congress is every man's best hope.

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2008-10-25          157484


I generally don't do a cut and paste but this e-mail I received is rather to the point.

The Haircut


One day a florist goes to a barber for a haircut. After the cut he
asks about his bill and the barber replies, 'I cannot accept money from you. I'm doing community service this week.' The florist is pleased and leaves the shop.

When the barber goes to open his shop the next morning there is a
'thank you' card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door.

Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he tries to pay his
bill, the barber again replies, 'I cannot accept money from you. I'm doing community service this week.' The cop is happy and leaves the shop.

The next morning when the barber goes to open up there is a 'thank
you' card and a dozen donuts waiting for him at his door.

Later that day, a college professor comes in for a haircut, and when
he tries to pay his bill, the barber again replies, 'I cannot accept money from you. I'm doing community service this week.' The professor is very happy and leaves the shop.

The next morning when the barber opens his shop, there is a 'thank
you' card and a dozen different books, such as 'How to Improve Your
Business' and 'Becoming More Successful.'

Then, a Congressman comes in for a haircut, and when he goes to pay his bill the barber again replies, 'I cannot accept money from you. I'm doing community service this week.' The Congressman is very happy and leaves the shop.

The next morning when the barber goes to open up, there are a dozen congressmen lined up waiting for a free haircut.

And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between
the citizens of our country and the members of our Congress.

Vote carefully this year. ....

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2008-10-27          157503


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I think there is a considerable difference between the candidates.I agree that what they say is all just a chess match to get the voters.That will allchange when they get in office.But the off-the-cuff unplanned remarks and personal backgrounds is what tells you what decisions they will make in office.And do you want a congress that can actually pass laws next term or have a check and balance?On this last question I have not decided which is better.However I made my choice of candidates long ago.There is no proof of character stronger than a person who will not leave his buddies behind, even while being tortured.If McCain had his young face again he would win hands-down.


McCain's action in Vietnam shows more than most will ever appreciate. ....

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2008-10-27          157504


I must say when I first read Crunch's comment about not willing to leave his Buddys behind I thought he meant Obama for not willing to leave those who got him where he is, spelliing is not correct so try to understand..Ayers, Wright, Rezco and the list just began.. ....

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2008-10-27          157507


Yep, in the race for integrity, there is one clear winner. Unfortunately, the public is more concerned in a Hollywood type of manure delivery. ....

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2008-11-04          157659


I have agonized over this for several weeks. I have voted Republican staight down the line for over 30 years and NEVER missed voting in an election.

Results?.......our nation is flooded with nearly 30 million crimal aliens, ridiculous high taxes, ridiculous draconian gun control, a GESTAPO like federal government growing like a cancerous tumor show casing the Dept. of Homeland Security, a police state rife with corruption and misconduct unmatched in US history.

The Republican Party with the exception of ONE man is dead. The ONE TRUE Republican left is Ron Paul and the socialist NEOCONS running the Republican party drown him out.

Is Obama a LOT worse???? You bet he is. The 2 party system has dished out to us a Marxist in Obama and a socialist in McCain.

It is just NOT in me to hold my nose and vote Republican again. My consciense and character just cannot stomach this. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is STILL evil. Obama will take this nation straight to hell.......and McCain will get us there a little slower.

Ron Paul was my guy for president. Dr. Paul has endorsed Chuck Baldwin. Baldwin stands about the same chance of success as a sparrow fart in an typhoon. Chuck Baldwin got my vote. I threw my vote away you say??????? No.......voting for a candidate you loathe and have almost nothing in common with is throwing your vote away.

Until "WE" as a nation take responsibility for our actions and vote in that sense instead of the standard party line.........we will continue to get more of the SAME.

I fear the great experiment in liberty and freedom is over and dead. In any case get out there and vote. If you don't like Baldwin, Bob Barr is running on the Libertarian ticket.

If you ever thought you might want to by some ammunition or a gun......better by it now while you can.

Here is what the socialist NEOCON's aka Republicans are working on even BEFORE the election is over.

The sponsor and all the co-sponsors are REPUBLICAN (at least in name only)

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Link:   Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008

 
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2008-11-04          157663


Since NY has that same chance in a hurricane of not going for the Marxist, I voted for Barr. I changed my mind twice when I was in the booth since it really makes no difference here. If I recall correctly, the last time NY went with a republican, it was Reagan.

On your other point. Based on the fact that the republican conservatives, like the ones that fought to lift the offshore drilling ban, have a cold chance in ever getting a bill through committee, this gun control sponsored by the "name only" republicans will be like candy for the democrats. They will push it through at lightning speed since they have someone to blame it on other than themselves.

I agree, the free country is gone.


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