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 03-14-2006, 15:56 Post: 126113
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I own a Kubota L3830 with a Hydrostatic transmission. I was plowing snow that had a lot of moisture in it. As a result is was quite slippery. How do I turn when I need to use the brakes and still keep my foot on the hydro pedal? It appears that tractors with brake pedals on the left side have an edge on Kubota. Any suggestions?






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 03-14-2006, 21:15 Post: 126131
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I'd have to say to take a smaller bite. Farmers don't use the brakes on four wheel drive tractors for steering as they know the costs.






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 03-14-2006, 21:28 Post: 126134
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Art's probably right but the kubota pedal position on those hydro models does seem to negate the turning brakes. Sometimes you just gotta use turning brakes. Once in a muddy spot I ended up neatly sideways between two trees with maybe three feet of total fore and aft movement. There was no way to turn the wheels and get out, but the turning brakes had me going damn near sideways. Amazing feature when you need 'em.






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 03-15-2006, 07:03 Post: 126143
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I wasn't even plowing any snow when I needed the brakes. I had gotten off the edge of the driveway and I couldn't get back on. The current Kubota design doesn't make any sense.






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 03-15-2006, 07:48 Post: 126144
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having the brake pedals on one side and the hydro on the other was one of the reasons I wen Green. I have some inclines that are covered with grass and they are very slippery at times and I use the brakes often for turning assistance. I used them all winter to keep the tractor going straight when I was plowing. It doesn't usually take much pressure.
Maybe the BIG Farmers with the BIG TOYS don't use them because of cost, But me, I have a 4115 and use them all of the time and on my 400 I used them for 25 years and never had to replace shoes. I guess if the tire isn't grabbing or hasn't any friction per se, you aren't putting a lot of force on the pads.






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 03-15-2006, 08:59 Post: 126149
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Ditto to wingwiper. I do not understand Kubota's thinking on the brakes.

I don't use the split brake feature on my 4115 much..... but when you need them, you need them.

It would be hard to fathom wearing out the wet disk brakes on a homeowners HST equipped tractor.

With 200 hours on the machine and pushing three years, I don't think I have more than 5 minutes on those brakes.






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 03-15-2006, 12:39 Post: 126155
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If you lock your hydro in cruise control mode, you can use your left foot as a clutch, (to start and stop)as original farm gear tractors were. You can then use your right foot to operate either or both brakes.






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 03-15-2006, 14:29 Post: 126159
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It can be done but it is normally cumbersome. I do have customers doing it as well as I have. I think it is good to have a tractor that is built like the rest of the tractors built so when you get the oppurtunity to test drive or if you have to use them you don't look like you just learned to walk. A well known flaw built into one of America's favorite tractor brands,been that way for over 20 years is a pump in front of the filter! The operator doesn't really know that the brakes are failing do to the strengths of a hydraulic brake system until after the second hydraulic pump installation and often talking with someone that has been thru it before or who has knowledge of this built in problem! They do take the brake linings through the pump and basically cause it's distruction. No they don't offer a brake wear lite and there is no warning other then your pockets being empty after two hydraulic pumps and a brake job! Seen it many times before and I bet I'll see it again!






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 03-15-2006, 15:12 Post: 126161
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Having to use brakes to steer the tractor or maintain course means you are outside of the normal operating parameters.

May be you need chains to increase traction and steerability.

Using brakes to steer falls into the abuse area of equipment operation. No where will you find a operator manual telling you to use the brakes to steer. Abilaty to operate with in given parameters seperates the operators and weekend cowboys.

Single brakes can get you out of a tight spot on an occasion but should never be depended on for continious steering.

The comment about the 400 is off base. I have replaced brakes on old Farmalls and they are not easy nor are the disk brake systems cheap. As Art already mentionedhow much contanimation do you want in your hydraulic and gear systems?






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 03-16-2006, 11:58 Post: 126164
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I think it's just a matter of technique.....

You either use your toe for the brake and your heel for the hydro. pedal, or you use both feet, it's easier than you think to swivel and have both feet on the right side.

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