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 | Blueman
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 243 Washington, PA 
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2007-01-08 138571
OK, has anyone priced out a brake job on a F-150 or an Expedition lately? Does it seem that you can't replace brake pads without having to replace rotors as well anymore? Does anyone have any ideas why rotors are failing so much more often than 10-20 years ago? Is this happening on Chevy and Dodge 1/2 ton pu's as much as Ford's? Has anyone else seen the amount of brake dust on other makes that Ford has on their wheels?
And, finally, is anyone else as mad as I am at FOMOCO right now, and I used to work for FOMOCO??
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon 
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2007-01-08 138572
I think the rotors are made thinner now than they used to be (Mfr may say for weight reduction but it's probably just cheaposity). They probably run hotter than before, too, due to removal of asbestos from brake pads and newer, harder materials being used instead.
I hear you on Ford. We bought three in a row. I just traded my Ford Ranger for a Toyota and once we sell the SHO that will be the last Ford in our family. ....
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 | DennisCTB
Join Date: Nov 1998 Posts: 2709 NorthWest NJ
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2007-01-08 138573
Not sure but I think this has something to do with brakes going faster because the linings are no longer asbestos.
The rotors may go because with the metal pads they get hotter and warp.
A brake job at my local Toyota dealer on my Tundra front brakes, rotors and pads, on rear just did the emergency brake linkage cost me a grand, ouch! First time I was too lazy to do it myself and it cost me.
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| DennisCTB
Join Date: Nov 1998 Posts: 2709 NorthWest NJ
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2007-01-08 138574
Slotted rotors are supposed to help disipate heat better and help prevent warpage also if you want to pay and little more and going ot keep it for a while. ....
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 | earthwrks
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3853 Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
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2007-01-09 138630
I've noticed too that Fords going back 10 years or so to present have far more brake dust than Chevy or Dodge across their product line.
I had a discussion about this when I was a Ford fan for a short time with engineer friends at Ford and Lincoln. Back in the early '90's ---to save costs (imagine that)---Ford switched to harder and lighter discs which meant something has to give, and they would rather have it be the pads than the discs (wink, wink). That was the offical thing they told customers. Bottom line was they knew they had a bad design but like anything else just keep shipping them until or if they figure out a solution. And the solution that is bain for one, is bust for another. And by that I mean, Ford Service Parts, the dealers, the technicians, etc., etc. don't mind making money off a percieved problem. Just don't ask the Customer, as he is on the paying end.
My '03 2500 Ram needed brake pads (4-whl disc) at 35,000 miles yet the rotors were fine. And I probably fried them from the beginning since I later found out after buying the truck and a trailer shortly after that the 12,000 lb. load I was hauling had no brakes whatsoever, so I was using ONLY the truck brakes. Found out the hard way when I slid nearly through an intersection sideways--- in front of a cop--- and hit the curb which luckily for everyone stopped me. After jacking up the trailer I found the idiot I bought the new trailer from "assumed" that the brakes were working and just "needed adjustment". Turns out the brake magnets weren't even connected. ....
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 | yooperpete
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1413 Northern Michigan 
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2007-01-10 138634
I've had the opposite experience. I get lots more brake dust on GM vehicles and far less distance. I have 65,000 on my 2002 F-250 and haven't touched them yet. I got 75,000 on my 97 Mountaineer before touching them. Granted, I do lots of highway driving. With GM products, am lucky to go 30,000 miles between pads and the wheels are always dirty. ....
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 | kthompson
Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5275 South Carolina
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2007-01-10 138644
I think Toyota has sort of hit this in recent tv ads. They have shown the other rotors compared to theirs, must be an inch or more in diameter difference. How well they hold up have no idea. But my 99 4 wheel Doge loved brake pads and rotors and brake shops. The shop blamed it on the dirt I was getting into with the 4 wheel drive. Could have been. ....
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 | Iowafun
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 955 Central Iowa 
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2007-01-11 138681
Beats me. My 2000 F-250 SD has 150,000 miles and the original brakes. But I only tow occasionally so that certainly helps.
The wheels are dirty with brake dust and my wife's Expedition also is bad with dust. I'm less concerned about her brakes than with the $2k damage she did when backing into my pickup. Slow speed causes that much damage including bent sheet metal? I may look at other manufacturers for the next vehicle. ....
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| kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2007-01-11 138685
I think any of today's new vehicles will cost ridiculous amounts to fix. It will only get worse - with the push for better mileage and many folks needing to drive big vehicles the only compromise is lighter materials, which means more plastics/composites and thinner sheet metal. ....
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 | oneace
Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1490 south central pa
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2007-02-01 139428
What is so expensive is the labor. Parts (after market) alone for a complete front brake job might be around $90 - $120. Including new pad and rotors. Rear disk brakes with internal parking shoes roughly $120 - $190 for every thing pads, shoes and rotors. Not really too bad. Add $80 to $110 an hour labor and factory parts your are up a creak.
Personally I switched to ceramic pads. No nasty dust and they run cooler thus keeping brake fad from heat to a minimum. They also last a lot longer. In fact I replace the vehicle before the pads. They are a little harder on the rotors than semi metallic but nothing to worry to much about. ....
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 | cutter
Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 1307 The South Shore of Lake Ontario, New York
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2007-02-01 139432
Boy aren't the labor prices up there! But in the dealer's defense, the new cars are being sent out the door at cost most of the time. Some of the used stuff they can make a buck on if they don't wholesale them. They need to make a buck to stay in business and I want them there for when my truck is in need.
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 | agriman
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2007-02-05 139554
2002 F250 SUPER DUTY Pull a 28 foot gooseneck with no trailer brakes Hauled everything from my skid steer to grain combine. 147 miles one brake job in my shop around a hundred bucks..
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