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 03-09-2004, 16:37 Post: 79344
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Had anyone heard or read anything about the Jeep Liberty Diesel to be available this fall(2004)? Last I heard was a Daimler 2.5L turbo 4-cyllinder. Really interested, but all I ever get from dealers is the blank "100 Yard Stare" followed by a heavy pitch to the V-6 gas (yuck!).






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 03-09-2004, 17:01 Post: 79346
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I haven't heard of it but, boy, am I interested! Need a new vehicle for my wife, and we were interested in a liberty but the mileage on the gas version is horrible.






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 03-10-2004, 04:43 Post: 79405
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You might try motor trend web page.
They have a section on the autoshows
new products.






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I spotted this thread and would just caution you guys to think it through. About 10 yrs ago I bought a VW Quantum turbo diesel for the same reasons you cite. The gas alternative was the Audi 5 cyl shoehorned into the "big" VW (the Quantum was the biggest model they made back then). For some reason the european 4 cyl gas motor was not being imported. The good news was that I got 36-38 MPG until the day that I had it towed to the junkyard. The bad news was: pathetic acceleration, the need to coach the whole family on dosing the gas with anti-gel and/or kerosene in the winter and, finally, the ridiculous cost of an engine major when it needed one at 145,000 miles. I junked it instead. Nobody really wanted to work on the diesel. The dealer quoted a ridiculous price for a rebuilt motor - basically "get lost". No local mechanic wanted to touch the diesel.
With rumblings about a Chrysler/Daimler breakup again, my worry on the Jeep would be about future service on the engine.






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 03-10-2004, 18:26 Post: 79482
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I believe AV8R said he had a Diesel Jetta already. I took a new Beetle TDI with 5sp for a drive. Not really slow.
Ken and AV8R I believe the SAE link has what you are looking for.
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Paladin: sorry for your bad experience. Please don't let that sour you on considering a diesel in the future!! They have come so far since then! My TDI is such a great little car (45-50mpg and all the power needed to go 100+ mph). Yes the older ones have trouble getting out of their own way, but my 86 still gets 40+ mpg at 250k miles!

I hope that Jeep does this diesel, I will buy one at least!

Check my site for my diesel collection. Look for the link on to how to run vegtable oil in a diesel motor. Not biodiesel, but regular veggie oil! If Detroit would get in on this it could help out so many farmers and we could thumb our noses at OPEC!!






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Actually, I was kind of fond of the Quantum. You can't beat 36-38 MPG. My kids still have fun recollections of fueling at the truck stops in between the 18 wheelers and it only waxed up on me once. I am close to buying a diesel tractor right now. The Quantum had a lot of good miles left in it with maybe one tiny rust spot on the body, the nice VW alloy sport wheels and new rubber. The independent guy that I use for my German cars said flatly that he would slap a new head on it but nothing more. The VW dealer quoted me thousands for a rebuilt engine and then ushered me into the showroom and said "trading it really is the smart thing to do".

You are right - it's a different story in Europe. You see diesel Audis and Benz's all the time. We just need to get use to working on them over here. You can't beat the MPG.






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I havn't seen much, Jeep has a diesel in europe same as the Liberty called the "Cherokee?" with a Benz engine. The only info that we are getting around Detroit is that they will only be making about 5000 for the first year of release. They also are stating that it will have 15% better fuel economy. (Better than what? the six cyl. gas?) The engine is a Chrysler 2.5L turbo with common rail injection system.

The Big Three is still believing that most of the US population won't want a Diesel because of noise and smoke etc. I think I also heard that Benz is also going to rerelease their big touring sedan in diesel in the US market this fall.






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According to the data in the SAE article the increase in fuel economy is 30%. I doubt their is much difference between the 4 and 6 in fuel economy if it is anything like the YJ.
From what I see the fuel economy goes from 22 to 29 highway.
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Peters, I didn't see that Link you had posted, good information, Infact it even got a lot attention from my BIL who works at DCX North America. I guess several of the employees in his unit have been showing intrest in the D-Liberty but not much info is out, even to the employees and dealers.






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