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 04-02-2004, 17:53 Post: 81911
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What is better? Which has more Maintenance?






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 04-02-2004, 19:18 Post: 81923
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We had a large debate about this a ways back. I would use the search and read through the old thread.
The answer is depends? What applications you are going to use the tractor for.
Concerning maintenance the hydro requires you to change the oil and filters like any transmission and requires more oil. The shuttle or standard will require a clutch over time.






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 04-02-2004, 21:03 Post: 81939
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I think for working with the FEL, most would agree that the Hydrostat is more convenient. Your hands are free to wok the loader without changing gears. Very convenient for mowning also, don't wear the clutch controlling your speed around corners and obstacles. I'm sure opinions will very some. Try them both yourself. See what you are more comfortable with.






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 04-02-2004, 22:04 Post: 81948
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Zippy, if you are doing a lot of "close quarters" type stuff like mowing around trees or grading/tilling around the house, or even snowplowing I highly recommend HST. I was not too keen on buying a HST but after one summer and one winter with one, I would not own another standard transmission.






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 04-03-2004, 05:32 Post: 81956
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Zippy; It's mainly a mater of which you like the best and are the most comfortable with. Personally I like the 12/12 reversers for shuttle work and less power drain from the hydro it's self ,but that's only my opinion. As far as matinence, we've ran hydros on combines since the early 70's, and with proper fluid and filter service they just seem to run forever. Frank.






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I think past discussion here is pretty clear that on average the total costs of owning an HST are lower than for gear tractors. Resale value is part of total owner costs.

However, averages aren't the whole story. Major failures on HST's are uncommon and usually the result of poor maintenance, but they are very expensive. A HST owner should be able to underwrite the risk of HST failure for a tractor that's out of warranty. A typical HST owner may be able to expect a trouble-free HST throughout their ownership, but a gear TX owner can count on clutch replacement around 1,500 hours depending on the tractor and use. Various 'clutchless' TX's might be an alternative but I have no idea about their maintenance costs.

Gears do have their advantages but they are realized more in larger farm tractors doing field work. HST's are better for the work done by typical CUT's. The lower efficiencies of HST's are not usually much of an issue for CUT work.






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TomG, what is the cost of an HST failure? If I have a major HST failure on my JD4310 am I talking $500, $1000, $2500, or even $5000 dollars? Could it be that high? Knowing what the cost could be would help me decide whether to extend my warranty.






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Maybe somebody can put prices to parts and labour. I have to be impressionistic since I'm a gear head myself. The impressionistic answer would be in the thousands and possibly quite a few. Clutches aren't cheap either.

Extended warranties are sort of like insurance. You don't expect to need them but they are intended to protect against catastrophic losses. Generally extended warranties are intended to make money for the corporation, and usually they do. How much extended warranties actually cover depends on maintenance stats that I don't know. It's been said here that most HST failures can be traced to poor maintenance or use and that's something an owner can protect against. Good oils changes and filters as speced and recognizing that a HST can be over-heated are pretty good as insurance.

If the remaining failures tend to occur early due to manufacturing defects during the life of a standard warranty or late after the period of an extended warranty then the extended warranty isn't of value but it does cost. It's a risk but if the loss isn't catastrophic, use of the tractor is optional and household finances won't collapse then most people would have more money left if they underwrite their own risks. A person also should provide a maintenance budget for the tractor and then failures won't seem so bad.

I know these aren't very satisfying comments but there's really no cut and dried solution. Only an individual knows what they are comfortable with, but individuals can educate themselves about the risks they accept. Maybe we help with the education around here.






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I have been on this board for 3 years, and with the exception of a Deere recall on poorly manufactured transmissions, no one I can recall has ever reported a HST failure.

The only clutch failures I can recall have been on 20+ year old machines and newer chinese tractors.






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Seems like we just had a discussion about a 2nd hand Kobota trans going to lunch. Costs were discussed.

The debate will go on forever.

Personally I prefer the clutches. But then again in 40+ years of operating I have never had a clutch failure. But if I did I am very confident in my ability to repair. I would not have a clue where to start looking for a HST failure. Nor am I inclined to have to buy the additional test equipment.

I have replaced many clutches as prevenative maintenance. So that may why I've never had a failure.

Looking at the JD 4400 shop manual the clutch packs in the CUTs are fairly straight forward an not a big deal.






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