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2007-07-26          144032


I have a 2210 and a Deere 10k generator, among other implements. I've got the house electrical work done to use the generator to power the house but I've discovered a safety feature of the 2210 that is a problem. When the rear PTO is engaged, getting off the seat shuts off the tractor even if the parking brake is set. Is there some additional setting that temporarily disables the shutoff? What's the best way to run rear implements on the 2210 like generators and log splitters out of the seat?

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2007-07-26          144033


You have to engage the rear PTO while NOT in the seat to have it run unattended. If you're in the seat and get out it stops. If you're out of the seat before engagement it will probably run fine. ....

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2007-07-26          144034


There are several methods:

The cobble your way through it would be to either attach a bungee cord and pull the seat down or place a weight on the seat such as gallon milk jug container filled with water or a bag of seed.

The other way would be to disable the switch entirely which is not a good safety practice. ....

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2007-07-26          144039


2210deere,

Safety switches, such as the one under the seat, are there because of lawyers, lawsuits, and product liability insurance. While these safety switches do serve a purpose, they truly are a pain sometimes.

It's generally a bad idea to leave any tractor run while unattended. Some little kid could climb aboard, or get himself wrapped up in the PTO shaft. To leave any tractor run, while unattended, especially with the PTO shaft rotating, is a recipe for disaster.

Aside from these dangers, there are other things that could result from running an unattended tractor, such as a sudden oil leak, or radiator hose leak, which could cause serious damage to the tractor.

It's a tough call. If it were me, I would temporarily disable the safety switch under the seat, but only after warning everyone in the area that my tractor would be running while unattended. The safety switch could be connected up again following the power outage.

It was for these reasons, and others, that I opted for a self-contained generator. I also decided that I would never purchase any PTO driven water pump.

Aside from the fact that my tractor would be unavailable to me for any other use while these implements are being used, I just don't like to take the chance of having some serious malfunction take place when I'm not around, which would could destroy the tractor's engine. Worst of all, is the thought of having some little kid get himself tangled up in the PTO shaft.

Desperate times require desperate measures, but running the PTO while the tractor is unattended, is a risk I'm not willing to take.

Depending on your situation, you may find more peace of mind by selling your PTO driven generator and replacing it with a self-contained unit.


Joel ....

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2007-07-26          144041


Cando, interesting points! ....

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2007-07-26          144042


Put a jumper wire across the circuit under the seat.

I use the PTO for many things. PTO gives you great versatility.

There is only 1 thing run by a PTO I am afraid of and that is the screw type woodsplitter. I'll never touch another one after seeing 1 work for an hour.

Tractor was bought to make my life easier. ....

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2007-07-26          144043


Joel makes some VERY good points.

Having said that however, we do it all the time, but with LOTS of precautions.

First and foremost, if there is even the chance someone will wader up to the machine, it is always surrounded by orange safety fencing which is clearly posted to indicate the hazards.

The tractor is also ALWAYS equipped with "Murphy Switches" to safeguard it if the operator is more than a few feet from it, in case of overheating, low oil level or pressure or low fuel levels or the revs drop below 500 rpm the igntion shuts the machine down to protect it.

Best of luck. ....

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2007-07-26          144044



Cando
You have valid points. The mechanical failure part is perhaps one that I may take a chance on, but the safty issue of small children is definitly one that should be addressed. We use portable dog kennel pannels to surround the generator on camping trips to keep the kids away from it perhaps they could be used to surround the tractor and generator. They could be locked to keep children from entering. As far as disableing the switch I think I would go with the weight in the seat method since it would automaticly return the tractor back to original safty switch operation when you move the tractor. You will most likely move the weight to drive the tractor.

Gary ....

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2007-07-26          144049


Dear friends,

There is a time and place for most any of these implements. During a flood, there is nothing that moves more water, in a short amount of time, than a PTO driven water pump. However, such pumps should only be used in rural areas, where the tractor can be left unattended for days at a time.

I use my PTO all the time. There's nothing better for running an auger, a tiller, or a mower. However, in all such cases I'm never more than a few feet away from the machine.

Putting a fence around the tractor and generator, or pump, is a very good idea. In fact, this may be the only method I would consider using. However, I always feel that it is so much more easier to drop a self-contained pump, or generator, onto the ground where it is needed. This leaves me free to use my tractor to help solve the drainage problems while the pump is running. It also frees my tractor up for hauling firewood to the house when the power is out.

I don't like changing oil on an engine any more than does the next guy. Limiting the number of engines, batteries, and tires on the farm is always a goal. However, there are times when a self-contained unit is the best option......if only for safety reasons......which is always my first concern.

It's good to have these discussions. I am always trying to figure out a better way to do things.

Have a great day, my friends.

Joel ....

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2007-07-26          144051


It's always good to keep precautions in mind but these threads wander far afield from the original question. Again, I'll bet if you engage the PTO when off the seat you won't have to mess with disabling any safety switches with jumper wires. I used my JD 4310 with a 3-point chipper successfully without any weight in the seat and without messing with jumper wires and the 2210 is probably similar. ....

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2007-07-26          144053


Murf m' boy, have you been watching the Red Green Show too much again?

This tractor you speak of, is it of the amphibious type? Why, you ask (reference: "...wader up to...")? ....

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2007-07-26          144054


Jeff, no to Red Green, aka Steve Smith is a friend though, in fact I've worked on his show a few times, the infamous fire tower is behind our summer place, it's one of the few left in operation, probably more to do with it being smack dab in the middle of 'Millionaires Row' in the Muskokas. The rich folks take a dim view of their summer places burning down.

I do have however, probably the only tractor-powered boat in existence, the "Land Doo" (a pun on Sea Doo) an old pontoon boat propelled by an irigation pump on the back of a tractor sitting on the deck. It was assembled to help combat fires along the lake shore.

Let me tell you, Joels not just whistlin' Dixie when he says there isn't a better way to move water. If that baby's not tied tight to a couple of stout trees it leaves right fast when you point the water up onto shore.....

Best of luck. ....

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2007-07-26          144057


Alrighty, gents. The original poster will review.

Turns out that the 2210 has additional safety "features" that don't allow the PTO to be engaged even when you pull the PTO switch from beside the tractor.

Additionally, a JD employee thought that you could get off the seat if the parking brake is set. Unfortunately, you can't on a 2210.

Next, we turned to bungees and weights. Two really tight bungees did not do the trick. An additional 100 lb of weight did the trick but looked ridiculous and would not survive a windstorm.

So we are back to electrical solutions. Seems to me that a temporary jump across the safety device is a better idea than disabling the device. Would anyone care to flip his seat up and post a picture of a safe solution?

I want to emphasize that no small children will be playing around the generator or tractor and no one is going to use the tractor without removing the temporary jump. ....

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2007-07-26          144058


ah-hem, ah-hem---back to the subject at hand...

I have a skid steer that has the computerized seat and seat belt interlock---the kind that requires certain steps to be taken or switches be closed or depressed in a certain manner to run.

One of the two seat switches' wire broke off. Long story short... I installed a hidden toggle switch in place of the seat switch. Killed two birds with one stone: I have a hidden ignition kill switch, and when I feel safety-minded a seat interlock.

That said, if your system is computerized like mine you can install a switch somewhere in parallel with the seat switch leaving the seat switch active when needed providing the new switch is open. Then, start and run as usual, before you leave the seat flick the switch and it should stay running as if you were there. And if it's like mine, in order to restart, you have to flick the new switch open then closed.

To carry this one step further, lengthen the new switch wires to a convenient place on/in the house for a remote emergency shut down. ....

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2007-07-27          144094


2210 You should not need a photo. Lift the seat look for a small rubber booted button. There is a 2 wire cable plugged into it. Use a short INSULATED wire stripped on both ends bent into a horseshoe and stuff that into the 2 wire cable plug in.

You could also place a block of wood over the switch with the seat down and that should do it also. Except it is not comfortable to drive it that way.

Mine has had the jumper wire in it since day 1. JD has removed them 3X when in for warranty work and installing the BH. The SOB's made me bring in the PTO cover 1X before they would release the tractor to me after a warranty job. It will never go to JD again for any work. ....

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2007-07-27          144096


2210deere,

While I jumpered the seat on my GX245 lawn tractor (among other things), I found the easiest bypass for my 4110 seat was a small piece of metal that I wedged under the springs, holding down the seat button. This way, if I want to re-enable it, I just quickly take it out. I'm sure a small piece of wood shim stock would work easily as well.

I'd guess your seat is very similar to mine - the metal piece is about 4" x 1.5" x 1/8". Easily fits in your pocket.

- Jason ....

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2007-07-28          144110


To operate the PTO without an operator here is how it is done on the JD 4300. Note that at no time can someone sit on the seat, the activation or deavtivation (whichever) shuts off the tractor while the PTO is engaged and the parking brake is on.

1) Start tractor and move into position.
2) Engage parking brake so that its lit on the dash.
3) Get off tractor and dont touch seat.
4) Engage PTO standing at side.

Cheers Ann ....

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2007-07-28          144113


Ann, in the case of the 2210, it won't work.

Here's an excerpt from the 2210 Operator's Manual

NOTE: PTO operation for this machine is not intended to be used when the operator is off the seat. The safety interlock system will stop the engine and all implements if the PTO is operating and the operator leaves the seat.


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2007-07-28          144115


You can find the online manual here. Seems the Link Title and Link URL boxes aren't working.

http://manuals.deere.com/cceomview/OMLVU14661_G3/Output/Index.html ....

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2007-07-28          144117


my 790 was built to use the pto without sitting on it,I've used a chipper,wood splitter and a generator.
all you do is set the brake, place in neutral, lift the seat forward and pull UP on the safety switch,start the tractor and engage the pto. it has a 2 position switch//push-contact/ then full contact//maybe the switch on your tractor can be swapped out. ....

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2007-07-28          144125


FYI,

The PTO on my 4110 (model year 2001) cannot be engaged when off the seat - no matter if the PTO is engaged before or after leaving the seat. ....

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2007-07-28          144126


FYI My Blue TC33D PTO can be engaged while running and off the seat, but has to be disengaged to restart engine. ....

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2007-08-08          144489


Alrighty...the orginal poster is back and here is the scoop. The way the seat safety switch works is that you need weight pressing down right in the center of the seat. You can have bungies pulling the seat down or over a 100 lbs pressing down on the seat frame and not have the safety device feel it but with a dense weight right in the center of the seat, you are all set.

No electrical modification is required as long as you put something like a 15 lb lead weight right in the center of the seat. ....

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