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 | tractorbuyer
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 30 Oxford, MS 
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2005-07-10 113233
The dealer told me to let him fill the rear tires 3/4 full with water/antifreeze to weight them down instead of using wheel weights as ballast. Will I need ballast to use the loader on a TZ25? Thoughts? Options?
Confused city boy...thanks!
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon 
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2005-07-10 113236
I'm a big believer in following the ballasting requirements in the owners manual. What does it recommend? Many dealers always want to fill the tires when a loader is used, just to be sure you won't get in trouble. Sometimes the manufacturer agrees, or even requires this - other times they don't. ....
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| tractorbuyer
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 30 Oxford, MS
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2005-07-10 113241
A more accurate question would be:
Do I "need" ballast for doing light duty work with a 25HP tractor? I'll be using a loader, box scraper and 60" finishing mower. ....
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| Kris,From,NC
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 33 North Carolina
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2005-07-10 113243
With me the answer is YES! I have both rears on my 33D filled and glad I do. ....
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| brokenarrow
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1288 Wisconsin 
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2005-07-10 113245
What kind of tires do you plan on getting? You say finishing mower? Are you planning on using this to cut your lawn all the time? If so was thinking (and only in this case) maybe you should explore other options for ballast. Keep that box blade on and add a couple of weights for the loader work, take everything off for your mowing. I would think if she was a bit damp that the added ballast would not be helpful while mowing a YARD and may limit when you could mow. ....
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 | oneace
Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1490 south central pa
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2005-07-10 113246
With the TZ tractors you want the tires filled with the loader and some sort of 3pt ballast. Weather you are using it as a primary mower or not. With out it you will be limited to about 150lbs in the loader. ....
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 | earthwrks
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3853 Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
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2005-07-10 113250
Using water and antifreeze doesn't offer the same weight gain as calcium cloride (according the Service Manual calcium cloride is the only tire fill fluid recommended). That said, moisture from water is going to lead to eventual rust problems on the rim itself (which are rarely totally painted anyway) and could lead to rust forming between the bead which will lead to constant air leakage. The TC33D Service Manual says to only fill the tires 75% full which is indicated when the tire stem is in the 12 o'clock position and fluid comes out the stem. If it were me, I wouldn't use the wheel weights or filling the tires and only use the implement such as a box scraper with weights which will give you much more weight in the form of leverage hanging off the back, plus the scraper is handy for spreading the dirt. So you kill two birds at one time. And when you are mowing you aren't carrying all that extra water weight. ....
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| tractorbuyer
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 30 Oxford, MS
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2005-07-10 113252
Thanks...all good suggestions...I assume Land Pride or others make weights to go with their box scrapers. Still learning...thanks! ....
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| jamese
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 65 NC
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2005-07-10 113254
Calcium is NOT the way to go,,I would say ONLY use methanol/water mix(mixture depends on your climet)and you almost have to have it for the use of a loader,,if you e mail me your tire size,,I have a chart to tell you how mush weight it will add,,(just my opinion) ....
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| earthwrks
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3853 Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
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2005-07-11 113260
Calcium NOT the way to go---says who? According to New Holland it is. From a strict liability and warranty standpoint they have a lot to lose by NOT recommending the right stuff.
Why would you use Methanol, which is a flammable liquid, in tires? errrr?
Or maybe when the tires explode the water puts out the flames (te-he-he)
Seriously though, tell more about the methanol trick. ....
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| tractorbuyer
Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 30 Oxford, MS
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2005-07-11 113263
Call me crazy, but placing caustic or toxic liquid IN your tires seems an inelegant solution to a pretty straight-forward engineering issue. This is doubly true given that I have a small area to work...where I have pets, kids, a garden and well water. Adding ballast to the 3PH while using the loader makes a lot more sense. The 3PH weight has a greater moment than the tires, which rely on weight alone given their proximity to the frame. I think I'll wait until my new TZ25DA shows up at my shop and actually read the owner's manual. I'm betting a 400 lb box scraper at 18" from the rear will be more than adequate to support the full capacity of the loader. The last newbie question remains: do box scrapers have custom made weight sets that go with them? ....
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| s chrand
Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 77 Mid-Michigan
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2005-07-11 113269
Like 'tractorbuyer', this was a tough decision when I bought my first tractor last fall. I ended up filling the tires with something called 'rim guard' for two reasons. First, the weight is always on, so I don't have to mess with it. Second, the weight is only on the tires, not on the axles and bearings of the tractor, so less wear and tear.
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 | DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada
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2005-07-11 113271
I have owned this class of tractor. I would NOT fill the tires on a model this small. You can't really get much weight in a 26x12-12 tire anyway.
Your loader capacity is only 460 to 660 pounds anyway (depending on how it is calculated). Based on experience with my BX, all you will need are some 60 pound wheel weights and a heavy box blade.
If NH does not offer a set of weights, I am almost 100 percent sure that the Kubota weights will fit and they are not terribly expensive.
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 | Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee
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2005-07-11 113274
I like and would prefer to go with wheel weights but the last time I priced a full set of wheel weights; they were nearly $1,000! Just not worth the price, so I had the tires filled with Rim Guard. I still had to add a 3 pt. ballast weight as well. Wheel weights are a LOT more user friendly if you have a flat tire but you will have to weight the cost of wheel weights or a 3 pt. ballast box as opposed to fluid filled tires. If price is no factor; get the weights. ....
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 | yooperpete
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1413 Northern Michigan
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2005-07-11 113276
If the application calls for mowing lawn, I'd definitely want weights or ballast of some kind that could be removed. My set-up seems ok and stable with just a rear blade. My Land-Pride blade has a long beam that sticks out more than the Frontier and some others. You can spin the blade 360 degrees.
I also use my pulverizer as ballast while it also can break up stuff or level it while transferring material with the loader. A ballast box filled with rocks or concrete is economical. ....
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| DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada
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2005-07-11 113302
My research has shown that when the wheel size gets to about 33-35 inches tall, it is hard to hang more weight on the tire than you can put in it.
My 33 inch rear tires on the 4100 weighed about 190 pounds when filled with calcium and water and about 70 pounds empty for 120 pounds of net ballast. That's why my current tractor has 150 pounds of bar-bell weights on each wheel. I get 30 pounds per wheel more ballast out of the deal.
Randy's tires (2ndhandlion) are way bigger and he probably nets about 300 pounds of ballast with proper fluids in each tire. Thats a lot of steel to attach securely to a moving tire.
I think Yooper is running a much bigger machine too.....
Smaller machines... 16.5 inch rims and smaller... do better with attachable weights. ....
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 | DennisCTB
Join Date: Nov 1998 Posts: 2707 NorthWest NJ
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2005-07-11 113306
On my Kubota B7610 I have the 72" Woods grader blade with no liquid in the tires. I have had no problems moving full buckets of dirt with this set up. I have the Kubota Ballast box, but I have never found a condition where I would rather have the Ballast Box instead of the rear blade. I don't have any wheel weights either. The blade I have can rotate 360 degrees like yoopers as well, so it hangs far back, this might be different on a sub compact blade. ....
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| denwood
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 542 Quarryville PA 
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2005-07-12 113348
I keep seeing posts about removing weights to mow the grass. Every mower I have owned would work better with weights on it. My NH GT75 had calcium in the tires not my favorite but it worked, wished I had even more weight. My JD f525 has factory weights on the wheels. Look at steiners. At least half of the ones I have seen have the rear weight bar with weights just for mowing. Their necessity is more from poor engineering. My JD4300 has calcium fill and I finish mow with it all the time. I think it does less damage with filled tires since I use 2WD as often as possible and spin the tires a lot less (as in none) with all that weight. I leave the loader on to mow to put rocks sticks etc in so it does need the weight. ....
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