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 01-06-2003, 08:06 Post: 47029
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Look real hard before you buy a kubota. It has been a real nightmare.The BX 22 I have is falling apart with only 100 hrs on it. The dealers for the most part are scammers. The company is the worst i have ever delt with. They do not stand by there warranty. I now have to hire a lawyer to get it fixed.Here are the problems, delivered with half the pins and bushings on the loader missing, seat falls off with operator on it, hydraulics constantly leaking, the ignition key falls out when the engine is running, the loader is only working 50%(bad hydraulic ram). If you try bringing the machine to any other dealer than the one you bought it from . They will do or say any thing to keep from doing warranty work. If you are considering buying a Kubota good luck,you are going to need it.






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 01-06-2003, 08:43 Post: 47031
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Kubota's reputation largely has been built upon flawed evidence. Their rise to fame followed the surge in popularity of the Japanese cars. This is when baby boomers started moving out of suburbia into the rural areas and bought 5 acres of land to "farm". They looked for the Japanese brands to match their Japanese cars. They had little or no understanding of tractors. The Kubotas were smaller and less scary than the big three. This was perfect. Many a tractor was bought because it looked good in the garage next to the Honda. They also had the high level of fit and finish. Little thought was given to actual ability of the tractor let alone the durability of the tractor.
I have farmed the Kubota tractors alongside Massey Ferguson Ford/Newholland and John Deere. The Kubotas were under-powered and under designed. The same work was issued to all brands and the Kubotas failed time and again when the red, blue and green never wavered. I know this will make orange owners see red but, several Kubota dealer friends told me that they are hesitant to sell Kubotas to real farmers. When a tractor has the potential of lots of use, the Kubotas wear quicker and have more problems. I have some friends who wouldn't listen to me and bought Kubotas for the farm. They either overheated or were not powerful enough or had various mechanical problems. One fellow lost $10k in 6 months when he went to sell it because he hated it so bad. It was overheating pulling a haybaler rated for that size tractor. He went back to Deutz.

They are fine for non load situations. They are quite, clean, comfortable and smooth tractors. There is no argument here. It is fine for yard and garden work.
Real performance and heavy use is the question. A true tractors test is to put 1500 hours or more in a year. Most Kubota owners average 100 or less. Some don't even receive 20hrs. a year. That is why I say the Kubota's reputation is built upon flawed evidence.

Incidentally, the tractor, regardless of brand is no better than the dealer that services it.






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 01-06-2003, 08:59 Post: 47032
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I think the problem lies with your dealer of record on the tractor and not the manufacturer. I would like to clarify a few points raised in this posting:

1. Deere doesn't even make their own tractors in the compact market. They "assemble" some of them from parts made overseas. There is no secret that Yanmar has made whole tractors and components for years for Deere.
2. The other 'majors' are also having their components made for them. Kubota, to my knowledge, is the last major still manufacturing their tractors from top to bottom.
3. When you get to larger HP tractors Deere and others do a wonderful job because that is what they are developed for. There is not nearly the need for large HP tractors overseas as there is in North America and some areas of South America. Therefore, the Asian manufacturers don't R&D for large HP tractors.
4. It would be incredibly foolish for you to judge a manufacturer based on one incident. I have bought several vehicles from the Big 3 and have had problems with all of them (Less with Ford by the way). I have found that the dealer you use is generally the problem (or solution).

In summary, don't judge an entire market based upon on incident. Write your concerns down and present them to your dealer. Unless you have abused the equipment, you should find resolution quickly. And don't forget- EVERYTHING depreciates the moment it leaves the lot!!!!

BTW: I have owned several Deere's over the years and am now ready to convert to an Orange tractor. The are just better for my application.






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 01-06-2003, 09:04 Post: 47033
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Marklugo, Last time this guy logged in here he said he had a different model.
To "Not Happy": Time to clear the air. If you have a real complaint about a real tractor you should not be ashamed to identify yourself or where you live and the evil dealer in question.
So cough it up or quit screwing around.
Defecate, or discommode.






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 01-06-2003, 09:33 Post: 47036
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I sell grey market Yanmars and Iseki's and new Bransons ( I say this so you know I am not biased toward Kubota), but to be fair I will say that many of the large orchardist around here use the big Kubota's to run 10 to 14' flail mowers. They put on over 500 hrs a year and are quite proud of them. They seem to hold up well and have good resale value even with high hours.






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 01-06-2003, 09:34 Post: 47038
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Kubota makes tractors up to 120 HP. Their line is large enough to cover most of sizes of the tractors sold in the US. I am not dealing with the point of origin of tractors. This is well known. Most compacts are from Japan regardless of name. However, Kubota design has become inbred just for the reason stated: It is its own.
Deere NH and others have the Japan companies meet their spec. on tractors. It is synergy that help these companies. It is worth noting the comparison of weight and features compared to Kubota.
What I farmed with was in the 50hp range for the tractors I mentioned, above the compact line. But I have the same stories to tell about the compact series. I have seen it time and again. It isn't isolated. I ran an offset cultivating Kubota next to a late model offset IH. The IH had Japan components
as well but it was the Kubota that had the front end fall out of it several times. It was the Kubota that had steering problems after a couple years use (Who would use nylon in a tie rod end on a tractor any way?)
It was the Kubota that had spindle problems etc. Believe it or not the then V.P. of Kubota America ( a Japanese American) came to our farm with Japanese engineers and were shocked at the survivability of the Kubotas in real world use. They also used our farm to test the prototype of the latest B series.

You are correct about the dealer. However, what constitutes abuse? A weak, poorly designed tractor will appear abused long before a well made one. Most good tractor companies try to give the dealer and customer the benefit of the doubt and will work with tough cases. It is in everyone's interest. One unsatisfied customer leads to another. Abuse is in the eyes of the beholder.

Dealers are occasionally responsible for some abuse cases. The claims made to sell a tractor lead to use for undesirable operation. In other words, A dealer will state that a tractor will do "something". While it may indeed do "something" as dealer states, it may not be designed or intended for that action in repetition.

Worth noting: Kubota will not sell several of it's tractors in Nebraska, where they are subjected by law to a University of Nebraska test. There they are evaluated for operation to Manufacturers specification. They are tested for pulling, Hp, durability and other objective tests that are standardized for all tractors. Any failures and deficiencies are notated.
Why won't they?






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 01-06-2003, 14:15 Post: 47053
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Mark, Which tractors does Kubota sell in Nebraska ?

Just curious.

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 01-06-2003, 16:19 Post: 47058
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Subjected to the the University of Nebraska tractor tests heh???? What a JOKE. Does the University of Nebraska charge money for the tests that the manufacturer HAS do DO In ORDER to comply with the LAW??? I am betting the UNiv of Nebraska charges. When was the last time a college did anything for free. It would be a COLD day in Hades before I would pay a college Professor money to test my tractor line. If college professors are so dam smart why aren't they working for tractor manufacturers? I wouldn't put the value of Enron stock in a University approved tractor testing program. I wonder if the the University of Michigan could come up with a "PAY ME NOW" car testing program if State Law required the testing of cars and trucks in order to qualify for the market place. Go Tell GM or Ford their product has to be tested by U of M before they can sell them in Michigan and see how loud they laugh at you. Good for Kubota telling the State of Nebraska to go pound sand, I would do the same thing. No wonder why Nebraska hasn't any professional sports like the NFL, NBA, NHL, or MLB, because they are too busy charging for tractor certification.






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 01-06-2003, 16:42 Post: 47059
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Not siding with anyone, However the University of Nebraska Tractor testing is THE standard testing fac in the US for AG tractors and has been for many years. I guess the CUT's have just not been tested by them.

Yes they do charge money, but so does Underwriters Labs and for the products you see UL approved on ( required by law in some places ). Plumbing supplies have a similiar arrangement. Auto's and various parts of them have to be crash tested, brake, sealt belts and airbags, and mileage tested, I am not sure but I bet the auto industry pays for that and passes the costs on the the buyers of their products. It costs money ( at a private lab ) to have any telecommunications devices sold in this country to be certified by the FCC. Canada has a similiar arrangement.

It is the early stages of the privatization of our government. Who knows in a few years HR Block may be collecting our income taxes.






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 01-06-2003, 18:55 Post: 47062
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I just sold a 1973 L175 Kubota. I don't know exactly the hours on it but I would estimate around 9000. It always started and ran well. I just bought a brand new B7500. I have around 70 hrs on it with no complaints. Just my 2 cents.






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