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 12-30-2008, 09:06 Post: 158929
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I'm new to the forum and it looks like y'all give good advice, which I need. We just moved to 115 acres at 9000 ft elevation with a mile long driveway. Currently, we're using an old toyota 4x4 to plow, but with these huge snows, we have to call in a D4 a few times a year to clear us out. My sweet husband is out plowing at 2am to try to keep us clear, and I'm insisting that we get a tractor with a snowblower. He likes the Grand L series with the hydrostatic transmission, which is easy for both of us to use, but I think we need more horsepower for our place - the last thing we need is to be underpowered! The M series is my preference, but he is concerned about the ease of use - he has used tractors most of his life, I haven't, but am a quick study. We'll be using it on rolling hills with drifts up to 6 feet, some even 10 feet, for snow plowing/blowing. We also have a beautiful 60 acre field that I'd like to cultivate but needs significant brush clearing, mowing, etc. We'll have some larger livestock (Tibetan yaks) in a few years, we hope.

Any advice on which to choose? We've also looked at the comparable JD models. In this crazy mixed-up world, I need help convincing my husband to buy a tractor and to get more horsepower! Thanks . . .






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 12-30-2008, 09:53 Post: 158931
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I feel you should be buying an M-series for some reasons and a L for others. The grand L has a nice front snow blower from the factory. You could still use a M-series with a Erskine front mount but beware of the rear PTO drive and fear of damage to it from the contours of the property.

A rear mount blower could still leave the loader on but could be hard on the operator's neck and back, to blow the snow away means you don't have to move it again!

The M-series will handle anything you have for field work with ease.






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 12-31-2008, 06:48 Post: 158952
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 Grand L vs M

-You have specific and demanding needs. -The previous reply shows how helpful a dealer can be. -Once an owner, you will be somewhat dependent on a dealer, presumably the selling dealer.

Accordingly, my advice is to talk to local dealers, both for locally-relevant recommendations, and a feeling on how you would feel to depend on each one (for service, attachments, advice).






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 12-31-2008, 07:11 Post: 158953
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Thanks for the advice - we spent lots of time with the Kubota dealer and drove a few. Our salesperson is someone we had spoken to a few times before, very knowledgable and kind. We ended up with the M6040 turbo and we're both very happy. I felt we needed the bigger frame/chassis more than a big jump in hp, and the 85 just seemed too big for what we need. We also got an 8 ft blade, rear blade and heavy duty brushhog. It's quite a crash course in tractor ownership, so I may be back frequently for advice! Thanks






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 12-31-2008, 08:53 Post: 158955
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No snow blower?






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 12-31-2008, 15:34 Post: 158975
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I don't know if you've considered it yet but with 6' - 10' snow drifts you might want to look into a hydraulically powered loader mounted snow blower. They're on the pricey side, but you'll reach the top easier and save time not having to drag that snow down to blow it away.






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 12-31-2008, 21:29 Post: 158977
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I just went to the Kubota site, and that is one nice tractor. One thought related to the snow blower consideration is considering buying the 3pt for now and reevaluating whenever necessary. I doubt you would lose much on selling it used if you chose to go a different route and the investment is only a fraction of the other options. Not that those other options don't make good sense in and of themselves. With that much snow, as well as being able to haul wood, sand and other material, it would be nice not having to lose the loader for the season. I blow a considerable with a 3pt and it is an inconvenience driving in reverse while doing it but I still find the need for the loader from time to time exceeds the inconvenience.






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 01-01-2009, 09:58 Post: 158982
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EJ: I, too, use the rear mount snow blower and agree about the pain in the neck. On the front, though, I rotate between a snowplow and the bucket. With the quick-tach it only takes a few minutes, even with the extra hydraulic on the plow. Actually I use the box blade on the back a lot more than the blower, but then I don't have those huge drifts to deal with very often.






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EJ; I've always considered the Cadillac of snow machines, both on a cost wise and a get it done basis to be a cab tractor with a loader on the front and a blower on the three point. A friend has had a 4020 Deere with a front monted blower for years for their mile long lane. He bought the blower probably in the early seventys when it likely didn't cost as much as a rear mount does now, they would be a high dollar item now. For many years I had a front loader, rear blower on the farm, a 1070 Case tractor with a WL42 Westendorf loader and an eight foot IHC #80 two stage blower on the three point, there never was a drift I couldn't conquer. We sold all that on our farm auction in 04 and now have a 4310 Deere with a 430 loader. I've always wanted a blower for the three point of the baby Deere but we just don't have enough driveway since we moved from the farm to justify one. It usually takes me less than an hour with the loader only, if the drive were any longer I would have another rear blower pronto. Frank.






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Frank,

I couldn't agree more.

The loader comes is very handy for dragging snow away from the buildings and doors. The loader is also necessary for breaking up hard and / or tall drifts.

It might be just me, but I tend to like the raw power that's available from the rear PTO. Since it runs at 540 rpm, rather than the 2500 rpm of the mid PTO, it just seems to me that the rear PTO offers the grunt needed to get the tough work done.

Sure, the mid-mount PTO works just fine for powering a snowblower, but at revolutions turning 4.5 times faster, it also reduces the available power by the same factor.

Now I know that the front blower is geared to make up for this, but I still wonder about the size of the gears in the mid-PTO. Are they really designed to handle the power needed to move snow on a year to year basis? I don't think so. Those little gears (and they are LITTLE) are made to speed up the blades on a mower deck, but I don't believe they're up to the task of moving snow for a living.

The rear PTO is designed for powering implements that demand a whole lot of power, such as post-hole augers, snowblowers, water pumps, and tillers.

Does any of this make sense?

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