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 08-01-2003, 20:45 Post: 60716
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After a half day of bushhogging I can say that I made a mistake buying R4 tires with my 4310. When I got into the rough stuff in very dry soil they spun like a slip and slide - and they are loaded and dragging a 728 lb MX5 cutter. I almost got stuck when crossing ruts left by old equipment even in 4WD.

I thought I researched the heck out of my choices, and I chose the R4s because I didn't want to damage our lawn/septic field when driving across it (less turf damage and bigger footprint to reduce soil compression). However they just don't do the job for what I need.

I've got a call into the dealer to see if they will swap them out for a set of R1s. The nubs are still showing on the tread so hopefully that won't be a problem. This machine won't ever be used as a lawn mower anyway.

My advice to new buyers - R4s are a compromise alright, but my guess is that they are much closer to turf tires than ag tires when it comes to traction. Examine your needs carefully.






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 08-01-2003, 22:34 Post: 60724
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I am sure that soil conditions and usage make a big difference, but I like my R4s. I live in dry sandy desert where the terrain can vary from deep sand to hard packed colichi soil. R1s beat you to death on the hard soil. I can go up and down steep hills without ever having a problem. I drive over cactus without punctures and in general could not ask for a better tire in this environment.

I also do a lot of work with my loader on concrete and other pavement. The R4s also work well in that environment. I also trailer my tractor, and the tractor climbs right up the diamond plate ramps on my trailer.

I grew up in MO on a farm and there, we had R1s on everything. More than once, we got tractors stuck up to the axles. I am not saying that R4s would have been better, but in a given situation, any tire may shine or fail. I have no experience with turf tires, so I will leave that to someone else, but I will keep my R4s.






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 08-01-2003, 23:29 Post: 60727
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Dry soil? Hummm.... If you hate you R-4's your will positively despise R-1's.






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 08-01-2003, 23:42 Post: 60728
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What is it about R1s that don't work in dry soil? They look sort of like a less aggressive version of paddle tires they use for sand racing.

I sure wish there was a way to test R1s and R4s side by side to see which would work better here. Our soil is strange. It looks like red clay. When it's dry the surface layer is quite granular and the R4s don't seem to do well in that. When it's wet it turns mucky and sticky, and I don't know yet how R4s will fare in that. Here it is wet 8-9 months of the year so our predominant condition has yet to be tested.

When I nearly got stuck I forgot about the differential lock. I'll have to try that next time. What can I say, I'm still a rookie!






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 08-02-2003, 06:38 Post: 60736
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Make sure your air pressure is low enough. The tire should be touching fully across the ground. You can check it very easily by looking at the bars on the tires for a dirt imprint. The R-1 will clean better due to the steeper bar angle. They also will give a smoother ride do to less strength in the sidewalls.






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 08-02-2003, 07:20 Post: 60742
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Did you have the FEL mounted or front weights on to help the front tires get some traction?






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 08-02-2003, 08:26 Post: 60747
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The thing about R1's and hard ground is that the lugs have to fully sink into the ground for them to work. Otherwise the tractor is riding on not much rubber. Compacts don't have enough weight to sink R1 lugs into many fairly common soils. Ballast helps.

If you have a loader it will get you out of most mires. Curl the bucket all the way forward, sink the blade into the ground and pull the curl back. It will work going forward as well but it's more effective going backwards. When my 4wd went out, the tractor wouldn't climb a wet ramp up to a flat bed. We had to find a hill to lower the ramp angle and still had to push the tractor backward up the ramp with the loader.

A couple of weeks ago I was turning over a compost pit using loader and box scraper. I have turfs and couldn't back out of the pit and pushed myself out with the loader. I remembered the diff lock. I forgot that I disengaged the 4wd to turn the tractor around on the lawn so I could use the loader in the pit and then forgot to re-engage the 4wd. We're all novices. Duh! 4wd worked when the diff lock made no difference. There probably wouldn't have been a problem with R1's but then the problem would be with my wife 'cause I have to drive across a lawn to get to the compost pit.






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 I hate my R4s

Art is right on about the tire pressure. Proper pressure can help a lot; I used my TC29 for months before getting around to checking the pressure. It was much too high in all tires (for shipping, I guess). I can say that in WV soil, the worn-out, original R1's on my '47 Farmall get better traction than the new R4's on my NH. The only way I can get along with the R4s is with 4wd. But, I finish mow with it, and can't use R1's. If I had a dedicated lawn mower (this option is looking better every year), I'd switch to ag tires in a minute.

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 08-02-2003, 09:18 Post: 60755
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Ken, I was gonna suggest checking tire pressure too. When I checked mine the pressure was all over the place but not where it was supposed to be. I would carefully consider R-1's. If you ever think you may need to drive across yours or another's lawn, the R-1's will definitely let everyone know you have been there. I have found that R-1's are horrible on a smooth or dry dusty surface. This was demonstrated to me while I was on active duty observing the soldiers towing helicopters in and out of the hangar. The R-1's would slip very easily. They work good on soft soil where they can get a good bite. The R-4's did much better on a variety of surfaces. The tire casings are about as stiff and tough as you can get on the R-4's short of going to converted 12 ply aircraft tires which makes them pretty puncture resistant but not completely. What postition do you have the Motion Match and Load Match set in? That can make some differenceas well.






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 08-02-2003, 10:18 Post: 60759
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I wonder if your tires are over filled with fluid?

Anyway you don't need much pressure: ten pounds or less will probably do the trick.

If it were my tractor, I would get rid of the liquid ballast and go with maximum amount of wheel weights. It really makes a difference to have the tire CARRY the weight instead of having if CONTAIN the weight.






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