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 09-29-2003, 12:04 Post: 65075
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I just came back from the JD dealership. I bought the winter conditionner (same chemical as summer + anti-gel).

Since the price for both types of conditionners is the same, I do not understand why having 2 types ?
Why not having the one with the anti-gel only ? Or is it because the anti-gel one does some 'funnies' in the summer ?

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 09-29-2003, 13:50 Post: 65077
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Since glalond has already seen the information posted here (as noted in the below post) I have removed it to save limited storage space on Dennis's system. The original information was posted here as such because a user name and password was required to access the information and a link to the info. would not have worked.






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 09-29-2003, 14:44 Post: 65083
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Thanks Chief,

I did read this article before. What I do not understand is point "6. Why was a summer and winter formula introduced? ..."

It says that both conditionners are the same except 'without the costly winterization components'.
However, the price at the JD shop is the same for both conditionners so why create 2 different types if no money is saved ? Why not having just the winterize version so that both summer and winter can be covered with just one type of conditionner ? I would understand if there was a big difference in price but such is not the case.






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 09-29-2003, 16:59 Post: 65092
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You are right about the price, but the Winter Formula is a little cheaper. I looked up the MSDS sheet for both and here are the constituent chemical make ups:

Winter Formula:

2-Ethylhexyl Nitrate 15%
Ethylene Glycol Monomethyl Ether 5%
Heavy Aromatic Naptha 75%
Oeamide Diethylamine 5%

Summer Formula:

Oleamide Diethylamine 20%
Proprentary Ester 5%
Substituted Amine Resin 5%
Heavy Aromatic Naphtha 60%

I am sure some of the chemical engineers will jump in here, and make sure I am correct, but I believe that the Oleamide Diethylamine is a Cetane booster and the Summer Formula raises Cetane more than the Winter Formula.

The 2-Ethylhexyl Nitrate and Ethylene Glycol Monomethyl Ether, I believe are anti-gelling/icing agents.

Anyhow, I hope this makes it clear as mud now? Wink yeah right I use the Summer Formula because of the added Cetane booster and it does not get that cold in TN.

If you want them, I can email you the MSDS's. By the way this fuel conditioner is made by Gold Eagle Company (look familiar????) Same folks who make StaBil gas stabilizer and some other automotive de-icers, etc.






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 09-29-2003, 18:14 Post: 65095
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I hope none of that from JD was copywrited.






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 09-29-2003, 19:58 Post: 65106
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harvey,

It is all public information from the John Deere web site.






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 09-29-2003, 20:48 Post: 65107
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I can not see how a company could get aggrivated about reprinting a information sheet that is part advertising. I guess you never know these days.






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 09-30-2003, 03:14 Post: 65113
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My point is usually (I'll use that word loosely) all web sites have a small statement that all content is the property of owner and can not be copied or reporduces by any means w/o permission.

I believe dennis even has one on here somewhere.

Not trying to rock the boat but awareness of copywrite issues is a good thing.






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 09-30-2003, 07:26 Post: 65125
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Tested before, as Gold Eagle, Didn't give us good results, try power service!!! You won't go back!






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Thank you all,

So there's is actually more than just the anti-gel difference between summer & winter. The concentration (in %) of the same chemicals is also different.

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