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2008-09-30          156933


OK, stumbled across this. Thought I'd hear the real thoughts. Like the part where a person does not want his real name used.


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2008-09-30          156936


Most of the energy in a gallon of gasoline is wasted as heat, friction, and overcoming aerodynamic losses. No carburetor in the world will recover any of that. ....

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2008-09-30          156938


OK Ken, now that you have spoken on Washington can we move on...sorry for that. :) ....

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2008-09-30          156945


The carb invented and patented by my countryman Charles Pogue in the 1930s ** gets 200 mpg. There are many testimonials as to this, as well as explanations of how it got supressed.

Up to the ** above, there's proof. For what comes after, see

snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp ....

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2008-09-30          156946


Seeing as I live near Detroit and also worked in the industry for 10 years, there are many a tale (many based in truth) about the auto industry suppressing things that would help others.

Then there's the guys selling the fuel for the cars...

Back in the '30's I had a great uncle who was a tool and die maker for Cadillac. He invented on his own time a finned disk that was placed between the carb and the intake manifold. There is a product that was marketed a few years ago called a Tornado--it was similar to that. All it did was mix the air and the fuel better by swirling it. It more doubled the mileage from 12 to somewhere around 25 or 28.

Mobil Oil contacted him (or vice versa) and they came to his home, offered him $3,000 and emptied his home's basement workshop of EVERYTHING. He kept one lone sample in his personal tool box.

The family story goes that Mobil in no way wanted something like that biting into their profits and so bought him out.

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2008-09-30          156949


But... the Tornado/Vortex devices don't work. There may be some vehicles with truly lousy intake design where they *might* make a measurable difference but I can state for a fact that they don't do diddly on a Toyota Tacoma (no, I didn't buy one, but a bunch of guys on a Toyota board did and the universal result was bupkus).
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2008-09-30          156951


KW, I only mentioned the Tornado to decsribe my uncle's invention---and we're talking this happened nearly 80 years ago when technology and manufacturing were still in their infantcy so any improvements could go by leaps and bounds. ....

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2008-10-01          156957


Realize there is much there I don't understand, but how swirling the air before the fuel is injected into the cyl (what I think the tornado does) made no sense to me that it would improve the mileage. I guess with a carb maybe. kt ....

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2008-10-01          156960


EW, point taken, a tornado type device quite possibly could help earlier vehicles with primitive carbs and intake design.

It's funny, in the description of the Pogue carburetor it said that fuel is atomized to eliminate droplets, in effect changing the liquid fuel to a dry state. And we all know what is left behind when gasoline evaporates to a dry state. ....

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2008-10-01          156961


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Back in the '30's I had a great uncle who was a tool and die maker for Cadillac. He invented on his own time a finned disk that was placed between the carb and the intake manifold. There is a product that was marketed a few years ago called a Tornado--it was similar to that. All it did was mix the air and the fuel better by swirling it. It more doubled the mileage from 12 to somewhere around 25 or 28.


From a physics point of view the vortex would cause the droplets to get as the centrifugal force pushed them outwards and together, with lots of it likely accumulating as liquid on the inside of the carbs throat.

As was mentioned earlier on, in order to increase the overall efficiency of an 'infernal' combustion engine, you would need to first reduce the parasitic losses such as mechanical friction and heat.

Until those losses are dealt with there's really very little gasoline left to be burnt better to increase the overall mileage.

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2008-10-01          156968


This is one of those things that will never go away. PT Barnham was right.

Playing with muscle cars with mouse motors PORT AND POLISH anything that would hinder the smooth flow of air. The more efficient the air flow the more efficient the engine if I remember all that stuff correctly.

But I do have several sets of magnets left over from the farm that if taped on the fuel line precicelly 2" from carburator they will change the molecular structure of the fuel giving a 25% increase in horsepower and result in a 15% mileage increase. I'll let them go for $50.00 a set.

Frank, Art no bidding wars please. ....

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2008-10-01          156973


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But I do have several sets of magnets left over from the farm that if taped on the fuel line precicelly 2" from carburator they will change the molecular structure of the fuel giving a 25% increase in horsepower and result in a 15% mileage increase. I'll let them go for $50.00 a set.Frank, Art no bidding wars please.


Let me be sure of my math..15% increase in mileage at 2" from the carb, so assuming lower improvement at distance over 2" how many sets does it take to get to zero gas used? Also could you use multiple smaller fuel lines and place each magnet at the most desirable 2" spacing?

Sad part...our US Congress would buy this and make it a law the US made autos has to comply with this by so and so year. Then be proud. kt ....

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2008-10-01          156977


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Sad part...our US Congress would buy this and make it a law the US made autos has to comply with this by so and so year.


Maybe not congress, but certainly California and the CARB would study it....... LOL ....

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2008-10-01          156980


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Maybe not congress, but certainly California and the CARB would study it....... LOL


A friend who does some car body work said you will soon only be able to use water based paints in California. Wonder if there is any paint thinner plants there? kt

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2008-10-01          156984


Our house is sided with HardiPlank and Hardie Shingle siding. The shingles are made in California and the plank was made in some other state. We wanted to buy the siding pre-primed. That wasn't a problem for the plank siding, but since the shingles were made in California, and since that plant didn't have enough pollution control credits, we had to buy them unprimed and send them out to a local company to have them primed. The CARB is nuts. If they go to strictly water based paints I hope all the auto manufacturers close their California plants. Serves 'em right. ....

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2008-10-01          156989


It is always kind of interesting going to the state fair and seeing everything from magic dodads for your carburetor all the way to the amazing butcher knife that would slice clean thru a brick and still slice fresh baked bread. Both with a lifetime warranty of course. I wonder if Billy Mays and the Sham Wow guy got started doing the fairs? Frank. ....

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2008-10-02          156996


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It is always kind of interesting going to the state fair and seeing everything from magic dodads for your carburetor all the way to the amazing butcher knife that would slice clean thru a brick and still slice fresh baked bread. Both with a lifetime warranty of course. I wonder if Billy Mays and the Sham Wow guy got started doing the fairs?Frank.



Naw, running for president. Boy, sure wish I did not think that was funny. I can not believe what some people believe. Matters not it is a total lie, but oh did you hear him when he spoke??? kt ....

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2008-10-29          157568


smokey yunick ??? of turbo buick /indy fame had a duel turbo heat exchanger that pre heated the fuel using the wasted exhaust. which makes sense due to the fact it takes energy to convert any type of matter from a liquid to a gas to burn it anyway (which a carb only vaporizes at best),spun it through a turbo and put the pressure to the intake. If I recalled the article properly he got close to 600hp in performance mode and 50 + mpg in a grand national 3.8 liter in the 80's
really don't know if the added cost would out weigh the benefits of a stop and go city driving but someone that does a lot of highway driving would

I believe the government and big business has suppressed all kinds of technology all for the fear of the dollar. ....

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2008-10-30          157574


I'm not sure that process would accomplish very much.

Conventional wisdom (read physics) says you want the air/fuel mixture going into the engine to be as cold as possible in order to capitalize on both the reduced volume of intake product meaning you get a better fuel/air charge, and the added expansion increasing the overall 'kick' of the ignition or power stroke of the engine.

Manufacturers go to great length to add inter-coolers, etc., to turbo-charged vehicles for exactly that reason, to prevent the exhaust going through the turbo from pre-heating the air/fuel charge before it gets to the engine.

Best of luck. ....

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2008-10-31          157593


that equation works for maximum horse power, we were talking about economy and the fact that most factory turbo/superchargers operate around 7-9 psi where expensive machining like o-ringing a block and better materials do not justify the cost of something that is designed to die or rust out at 100,000 miles. there are thresh holds were one drops off and one gains like horsepower vs torque

I believe that hybrids are the way to go like diesel/electric locomotives ,a few manufactures are looking in this direction already. One was ford with a bio- diesel 2-stroke over in Europe.I loved the sound of my step fathers L-9000 Detroit !!!!

fuel economy is something that only a movie star can afford because the government has yet to get real serious about giving real tax breaks or incentives to the average joe /soccer moms to pursue our independence of foreign oil !!!!
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2008-10-31          157595


Please take no offense. I grew up reading Smokey Yunick articles in Popular Science and other magazines, and have a heck a lot of respect for the guy, but IMO if he wrote the article you refer to it must have been published in the April edition as a joke. My opinion of hybrids is pretty low too, there is probably no such thing as lossless conversion from one form of energy to another, so they must inherently lose efficiency (and they are needlessly complex to boot). An all-electric car with regenerative braking would trump a gas-electric hybrid but my money would be spent on a small diesel. A VW TDI (or their european gasoline compression-ignition engine) already meet or beat hybrids, with far less complexity. ....

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2008-11-01          157604


I did mention by liking to diesels ,but lets face it ,the manufactures are not going to allow them selves to put out of business with 1,000,000 mile life span cars or cars that get 100 mpg or stainless steel/composite vehicle's that will never rust out. There is no money in it for them, it would kill millions of jobs linked to the already collapsing auto industry from just foreign markets, I guess what comes around goes around, wouldn't MR. Tucker and a few other pioneering people love to see the big 3 demise ..... Pay back is a B_____ . MY feelings only, the only way were are going to see 100 mpg cars is a socialistic move by the government and that will never happen in the USA due to our capitalistic economy. BEWARE when some one calls you COMRADE
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