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200 Hour Service on John Deere 4410

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Chief
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2006-03-31          126945


I completed the 200 hour service on my 4410 yesterday. Was not as a pain in the butt job as I thought it would be. The engine oil filter and oil change was a piece of cake. Usual stuff like inspecting the fuel filter bowl (looked good so I did not change it), inspected the inner and outer airfilter ( these also looked good as I clean them off about every 10 hours), and greasing (I do this about every 10 hours so all was good).

The two big unknowns were the hydrostatic oil filter and hydraulic pump suction filter. I had no idea as to whether all (9 gallons) of the transmission oil would drain out when I removed the filters or not. The mechanics at my Deere dealer did not know either but suspected that the oil would all drain out. Anyhow, I prepared my mind to get covered with oil trying to swap out filters as quickly as possible. As it turned out, I lost maybe a gallon of hydraulic oil when I removed the suction filter and maybe a quart when removing the hydrostatic filter.

A few notes about changing these filters. The suction filter was pretty much straight forward and easy to get to; and just required a little bit of cleaning up the dirt and dust before installing the new filter. The hydrostatic filter has a sheet metal cover bolted to the lower bell housing covering it and the area inside the bell housing was just filthy and packed with dust and fine grass and weed dust. I STRONGLY recommend thoroughly cleaning out this area with compressed air BEFORE attempting to change the hydro filter as this will greatly reduce the possibility of ingesting contamination into the hydraulic system. I had no idea so much crap was in there.

A note of caution here............. Install the filters as tight as you can by HAND. The exception is the hydrostatic filter which is in a bit of a tight spot and you have to use a oil filter wrench to tighten it but don't over do it. The suction filter was installed by "King Kong" and 3 of his brothers at the factory and I thought I would NEVER get it off! This time I was able to get the suction filter off by hand. I don't know of any type of oil filter wrench big enough to remove it other than the cloth type strap filter wrenches which don't always work very well. The engine oil filter is kinda small and the typical oil filter wrench is too big to fit it so again tighten it as tight as you can by hand. The hydrostatic filter is the right size for a standard oil filter wrench and it fits just right but again, don't over do it.

While you are under the tractor cleaning out this area; I also strongly recommend that you clean out the forward reverse foot pedal potentiomenter housing (eHydro models only) as I clean about a cup full of grass and weed dust out of the housing with the compressed air gun. I think this may have been causing some problems as the tractor seems to change directions and start off more smoothly now.

The 3PH hitch filter I choose not to mess with as it is a royal pain to get open and you run the risk of damaging the hydraulic lines to get to it with the wrenches. I checked this filter during the 50 hour service and it was clean as a whistle. John Deere has decided that on later models to completely remove it so I think it will get checked again on the 500 hour service.

Bolt torques on the loader frame and wheels, etc. I check about every 25 hours so all was good.

Keep any eye on the front axle oil level. Mine was at the very bottom of the dipstick range. I could find no evidence of leakage so not sure what happened. Anyhow, I topped up the axle to the top of the full range mark on the dipstick which took about half a pint.

On start up all went well. Be aware that there will be no hydraulics or steering for approx. 10 to 15 seconds upon initial start up due to the suction filter being filled up. It holds close to half a gallon. The hydrostatic filter holds about a quart.

I ran out of light and the day so I will check the tire pressures before I next use it.

Those of you with the MMM installed will have to remove it to do this service. I removed mine so I could install my new rotary cutter. It works great by the way!

Anyhow, thought I would post some of my observations so anyone doing this service might benefit from it and have a few heads up pointers from someone who has done the service. That was the problem I had; I could not find ANYONE on the internet or Deere dealer who had actually done this service. Its nice to have an idea of what to expect before starting the task and hope someone else benefits from this. Good luck!

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2006-03-31          126978


The only thing that I saw in your post is the CLEANING of you air filters. Ask any dealer or any mechanic and they will say the same thing. DO NOT blow them out. If any thing a light tapping may suffice but by blowing them out you are making the filter less effective by making the small holes larger. Air filters are cheap compared to dusting your engine. At the land fill I work at now we get in what is called auto fluff, which is what is left after cars go through the shredder and the metal is separated. This stuff clogs the air filters about every 4 days or 40 hours. I would never think about trying to save money by blowing them out. These filters run any where from $40 to $110 a piece. But compare that to the price of an engine at $50,000 to $300,000.

Just my two cents.

One other thing. I always change the fuel filter the same time I change the oil on a diesel engine. Just cause it looks clean don't mean it is. Again another cheap filter. ....

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2006-03-31          126981


Thanks for the post Randy. The 200 hour on my 4310 will happen in the next month or two so it's nice to know what to expect. ....

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DRankin
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2006-03-31          126988


We must all be on the same cosmic track. I just noticed while working today that I have 196 hours on the clock.

Time to find some Hygard. ....

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2006-04-01          126998


I found an oversized filter wrench for the suction filter at the local autoparts store. Good thing I did because my suction filter was also on very very tight. ....

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2006-04-21          128085


Hmmmm.... I check the owners manual for my 4115 last night to make sure I had enough tranny fluid on hand.

Much to my surprise it says I need to change the hydraulic fluid every 400 hours.... not at 200 hours.

Is this different from the 42xx-47xx types? ....

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2006-04-21          128087


Mark,

As far as I know' the 42xx-47xx types go by the same servicing.

Unless you don't mind paying the extra $30 to $40 a 5 gallon pail; I would use Shell Donax or the Walmart Tractor/Hydraulic fluid. Shell makes the Tractor/Hydraulic fluid for Walmart and I strongly suspect it is the same stuff packed with different market labeling. Shell Donax is good fluid. The loggers I know use it in all of their John Deere log skidders and equipment. It is half the price of Hygard and the Walmart fluid is about 25% less than the Shell fluid. ALL of these fluids meet and exceed John Deere's specs. Let the oil barage begin!!!!! ;O) Just kiddin'. ;O) ....

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