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 08-13-2003, 09:16 Post: 61734
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 Electronics on Grand L series or 10 series deere

I see the Grand L series and the 10 series Deere look like they have incorporated more electronic gadgets on the new tractors. I dont know if that's a good thing or not. Anyone have an opinion on that? Are they going to be as bullet-proof as the previous models. I don't want to buy something that will be problematic or obsolete and unable to repair in 5-10 years.






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 08-13-2003, 09:30 Post: 61737
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I have had my 4410 for nearly a year now and had no issues with the electronics. It has been rained on and pressure washed a few times and still runs like a champ. I normally use compessed air to blow the dust and debry off first to prevent scratches and grit getting washed into switches and such. I would recommend parking the tractor inside or at least under cover as any tractor will weather and deteriorate if left outside and unprotected. I would think that as long as there is a demand for parts for these tractors, there will be a provider of those parts.






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 08-13-2003, 09:57 Post: 61740
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I can speak of the new Kubota's to tell you that they have had no trouble at all with their system. Kubota uses theirs not to run the tractor or change the way a tractor acts but only as an information source only to improve the operators skills and accuracy with speeds.






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 08-13-2003, 10:07 Post: 61742
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Opinions? You ask for opinions? I've got 'em. I posted a similar question prior to buying my JD 4310 (with electronics).

Tractors with electronics generally won't be as bulletproof as non-electronic models. The more stuff there is on any machine the more likely it is to break. Electronics don't work without wiring, connectors, sensors, and good properly connected power. Wiring snags and breaks, connectors corrode and become high resistance, sensors go bad, wires get crossed and shorted, etc. All of that stuff can cause failures in systems and components.

Many (most?) manufacturers are adding electronic gizmos to gain a marketing edge and differentiate their tractors from other brands. Some of the gizmos are even useful. I really like the LoadMatch feature in my JD eHydro for example. It is also likely that government air quality regulations will continue to tighten, requiring additional electronic controls to meet.

Electronics are built out of components that are manufactured by other companies. Those companies are continually introducing new components and discontinuing old ones. The average lifespan of a semiconductor product, like a microprocessor, FPGA, A/D converter, etc. can be measured in periods as short as months. When a manufacturer builds electronics into their products they are building in obsolesence. I have worked for companies that designed and built new products that included components that were end-of-lifed before the first product shipped. Obsolescence is a given.

At issue is how the tractor mfr. handles this issue.

They can buy plenty of spares ahead of time, but most don't like to tie their capital up in dead inventory.

They can sign contracts with component suppliers that guarantee a 10-year supply of parts, but that doesn't mean that the supplier won't go out of business, burn down, get robbed, merge with another company, or simply run out of old inventory. Even if none of that happens what if you need a part 20 years down the road? Getting a used one is a possibility, or maybe a third party company will design a replacement.

They can reengineer systems to use new parts as old ones become obsolete, but manufacturers don't like to do that either because they don't want to spend money on old products.

I generally don't like electronics in any product that should last a lifetime. Why did I buy a 4310 you ask?

Well, I liked it for one. Also, the 10-series electronics are pretty much limited to transmission control. I have heard (not verified) that the 4x10 eHydro transmission is largely identical to the non-electronic 4300 transmission, and there is a possibility to make it non-electronic if required. That gave me a small measure of comfort. This is harder to do with the Grand L series electronic dash, but you can always rig up a temperature guage and tach and be off and running.

Also, like many folks I may well just trade it in on a new model 5-8 years down the road so the issue would be moot for me.

Probably didn't answer your question but you did ask for opinions.






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 08-14-2003, 06:36 Post: 61807
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The only thing you would loose is the fuel and temp gauge on a Grand L-series Kubota. The tach is not part of there intelle-center. I do agree with the down the road costs of electronics. Most all parts go up in price after a tractor is not coming down the assembly line. It just depends on how long it's been since it has. If You did have to, if you could, would you want the old 4000 series type transmission?






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Ba Da Boom ! chhh you got that one right Art ! New technology and obsolecence is a part of life in our society now. Newer, faster, more gizmos. Electronics are a part of the 21 century. I agree with just about everyone on this one but mostly I my first thought is that I sure wouldnt want to leave a Grand L out side for extended periods. Give me a garage and I'll surely be a teast driver for kubota any day, Just drop one of those grand L's right in my drive way or Jd, or ....






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 08-14-2003, 08:27 Post: 61822
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Good call Doc! When you look at the Grand L I don't see some of the trouble of some of the other units mentioned. Now in your garage is temp and humidity monitored?






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My 4410 gets kept down stairs in a basement with 2 dehumidifiers running year round and a wood stove in the winter.






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That's livin' beter then me! Is there a fridge near by with a day bed?






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I've never driven one of the 4000 style JD transmissions but there a lot of people that have them and you don't hear too many complaints anymore. I hear they had some major teething problems but I think JD got them fixed up. From where I'm sitting I think I'd rather have a working 4000 transmission than a broken and non-repairable intellipanel.






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