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 08-16-2001, 11:16 Post: 30998
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A dealer recently told me that a B series Kubota was more comparable to a lawn tractor than a full featured "real" tractor such as a T/C 25 or a J/D 4000 series. He did mention that it would be the "Cadillac" of the lawn tractors, however. What brought this on was the lack of availability to install a remote valve, as well as the minature size of components compared to other brands. This kind of set me off since I have just signed on to buy one. Any opinions on this?






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 08-16-2001, 11:45 Post: 30999
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First thing I'd do would be to find a real dealer or one with more knowledge. You should not be offended because of some ones lack of knowledge unless you are the teacher.






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 08-16-2001, 21:25 Post: 31018
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I don't dissagree with you Art, but since this dealer sells several brands, I can trade a 2000 machine of one make for a 2001 of another without taking a tremendous beating on it. Even though my TC has been plagued with problems (mostly minor but irritating) since the week it was delivered to the dealer and then to my home. What it has going for it is that it looks new due to my excessive compulsive cleaning disorder (according to my wife). I was curious to know if other owners of compacts felt the same way as this dealer does towards Kubota. I owned a B7100 for two years (before it wasn't big enough) and it never saw the dealer for a problem. That machine was built like the TC, with castings bolted to each other to form the backbone of the tractor. From what I have seen of the B2000 series, Kubota uses steel girders to construct the frame and then bolts the engine and other components to it to form what appears to be one of the strongest units in it's class. Perhaps I am all wet here, but this may be why this dealer (and perhaps others) compare them to lawn tractors, that is how those are built (keep in mind that this dealer has been around forever selling Ford,IH,NH,Cub and others and is two years new to Kubota) . My reasoning to go back to orange is based upon the track record of the machine along with my personal experience. I am also impressed by the durable appearance of the attachments I am buying ie: belly mower, loader. I have noticed that some of the tractor components seem to be of a lighter weight construction than on some other machines. Parts such as brackets, levers and even the sheet metal, but I suppose that is what keeps the weight down. The 2910 I have agreed to purchase has industrial rubber with a 72" belly mower and I believe will be a terror at around eight hundred pounds less than my TC29. A quick calculation with the weight compared to the tire size tells me that the footprint will be about the same # per sq. inch as on the TC. I am a bit curious to know if the three point hitch will lift as much as the TC. I have been following the broken link postings and that is a bit scary. Well what do you think Art? Murf? Tom? Bird? Opinions anybody???






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 08-16-2001, 21:41 Post: 31020
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I think the dealer's statements are garbage. If you compare dimensions, horsepower, max. implement sizes, etc., the B-series, TC's, and 4x00 series are strikingly similar. I would be curious to ask him what the specific areas are where the Kubota is under-built in comparison. I have never heard a statement like that even from people who may have an interest in bashing Kubota.






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 08-17-2001, 10:36 Post: 31036
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Again Rob, I don't agree with him. It just made me think about it. I respect the expert opinions here and wanted to present the dealer,s feelings towards one of his products. Perhaps he is under a misconception, but the lack of ability to install a rear remote that would be a Kubota product surprised me. We are going to have to use another brand.






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A Lawn Tractor? Ha! Show me a lawn tractor with a front loader, or the ability to use a back hoe. My Deere 4100 is not approved for ANY backhoe according to the manufacturer. I think that little Kubota is one heck of a nicely engineered package. So what would you use a rear remote valve for that couldn't be accomplished by some other means? One BIG advantage to this machine is that it is built real close to the ground and may be the most tip resistant critter out there.






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 08-17-2001, 13:23 Post: 31044
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Remotes are used in my case for the hydro-turn on the plow as well as the chute rotation on the three point blower I want to buy. Does anyone here know how the loader detaches on the 2910? The dealer said it is a similar system to the other brands, the literature mentions something about support legs. He did not have one set up for me to look at. I have heard they are quite simple to use, I know the Deere and N/H are.






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Gee, It wasn't that difficult to add another valve just below the loader control valve on my B 2710. Just tap into the loader control where it is set up for "Power Beyond".
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Most likely that is exactly what will be done with that valve. I am looking forward to using the machine. The specs in the phamplet he gave me state the hydraulics are much more agressive than other machines in its' class. One thing I have noticed on the 4100 and the TC are that they seemed to run out of hydraulic oomph when using the loader. I like the stick control on the Kubota for the cruise, it will allow me to use my turn brakes when plowing. I am losing the super steer option, but I have found in most cases I don't use it because it either scuffs the sod or the machine goes straight and the lead front wheel becomes a ski on damp soil or going up an incline. I drove the 2910 and it seemed to turn nearly as close a circle as my tc29ss.






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Many people with B-series tractors report doing fairly big jobs for many years and speak well of their tractors. I doubt you'll regret your purchase. I don't pay too much attention to specs, because I think the major tractors are more similar than dissimilar, and they are all good products. Tractors are engineered as systems to do fairly standard sets of jobs. True, there are different engineering approaches to solving the same problem, but different approaches can get the job done just as well and just as durably. The specs may look different though, but that may be more important to marketing than to using a tractor. To me, HP, weight and size go together, so I simplify things and think of all compact tractors in five horsepower increments. All 25 and 30hp tractors will do most of the same jobs. However, a 25hp tractor will get maneuvering jobs done a little faster and a 30hp tractor will get power/traction jobs done a little faster. I guess I have faith that designs from the major manufacturers are pretty good, and that the manufacture/dealers will stand behind their products for the occasional design or individual tractor that isn't quite right. I'm not sure what 'lawn tractor' might mean, and I'm not sure what a tractor that was designed especially for mowing lawns would be like. Such a specialized piece of equipment probably would be less suitable for other tractoring work and I'm not sure why a manufacturer would build one unless it could be sold for a lot less money. One could be built lighter I guess, but then it probably would have a smaller engine. A big engine in a small mower doesn't make a lot of sense because they can go only so fast. I keep going back to the idea that 20HP is always the same. Full-featured tractors these days might mean one with a sizable computer, lasers etc. I don't know what full-featured means either. I do know that the best tractor is probably the one a person likes best right from the start.






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