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 07-18-2004, 23:39 Post: 91270
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Plots1 I know you have used your box scraper for what I intend to use it for (food plots) A couple of questions for you?
Should I buy a few replaceable scarifers (I have very rocky soil)
How well will it work to straighten out a field that was plowed and furrowed pretty deep. After plowing I intend to pick all the LARGE rocks I see and then go over it with the scarifers down max. to try and level off the furrows a bit to see the other rocks that may damage my disk. pick them and then disk, pick again and then plant.
Also any tips for using it for what I intend it for, I also am using it to break up a round uped field that I had clover/weeds in this last spring, any tips for that using it? thanks buddy






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 07-19-2004, 16:36 Post: 91346
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Broken, I really never a problem breakin the sacifiers,but your machine is a bit heavier the my 790 was. I found that making a pass in one direction then crossing them to make like a tic tac toe board work really well. my new machine will do a much better job as I can angle blade up to get max depth on sacifiers with no lag on tractor at all (like it not back there)but haven't done a lot with it yet so hopefully I don't start wreckin the sacifiers. I think it will do real well on the weed field and even better on the pre plowed feild. All in all it's really not the correct tool but man does it work.






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 07-19-2004, 22:00 Post: 91379
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Actually, in rock country plowing is the pitts! You plow 9" deep and bring up monster boulders that may have stayed just under the disk. Least that is what I am finding out about plowing where I live. A Much larger tractor with a field cultivator would be great but I dont have that big a rig to pull that large a piece that is needed to do it right. That brings me back to the box blade, Sure looks like I will be getting the chance to find out for my self in 2 weeks. My scarifers are 12" apart, have you ever tried making one pass and then moving opver 6" and making anouther. This would leave 6" in between rips. Was wondering if my disk angled to its extreme would compensate and take out the rest.? 2 of my plots are pretty long and by design they are only 40 yards wide so criss crossing the short way would be a real pain in the butt. I will experiment a bit but if all else fails I will do it your proven way! I cant wait! Wanted to try it out this weekend but at the same time I needed to get the second spraying in and did not want to bring up any new weed seeds before I was ready to plant and lose the benifit of my round up applications si I decided to wait till the 1rst of Aug. and then giver till I get them done!
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 07-20-2004, 08:43 Post: 91429
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FWIW, the soil at our deer camp is pretty rocky stuff also. In fact I think it's more of a case of dirt between the rocks than rocks in the dirt.

We have many small plots scattered throughout, one or two are made or re-worked each year, all were made with a Rhino 84" box blade with scarifiers. I found that by making repetitive passes, each one a few inches deeper, you ended up with a really well tilled surface and reasonably loose subsoil. IT also helped because you felt the top of each big rock before you hit it full on. When the blade bounced on a big rock we stopped and got out the spade and pry bar and rolled it out. It was worth it, following years it was MUCH easier to do that plot.

If the soil is marginal, a little organic amendment goes a long way also. I got a load of manure from a local beef farm and blended it 50/50 with sand from a stream bank. It made a HUGE difference.

So far I have not broken any scarifier shanks, but I have broken or lost about a dozen tips on them.

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Broken,your idea on spacing sacaifiers will do well I'm sure, The criss crossing seemed to break clogs up better and it seemed to take a little less disking. And yes the more angle you run on your disk the more aggressive your cutting will be.






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 07-20-2004, 20:34 Post: 91504
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good idea murf on not taking a full bite right off the bat.
I know in the field that I have not had worked for 13 years that there are many boulders 2' dia. and larger that have pushed up with the frosts over the years. I have seen a few 3 years ago when I had a guy come plow it
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I am like a kid counting the days till x-mas, cant wait to stir up the soil with it.

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Should I have a few tips on hand? Any idea on how much they run about?
Also, I bought a 6 foot Box blade. Should I of bought a 84"er like Murf has? What an after thought huh? DAH Was thinking that 6ft would cover my tracks well and never gave her a thought about going bigger.






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 07-20-2004, 20:54 Post: 91505
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Are you going to be sewing in for a fall plot? what are you planting? I'm going to no till in some corn in my hay field next spring can't wait to see what happens there.






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 07-21-2004, 07:57 Post: 91538
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Broken, we are both running about the same size machine, my 'Bota is 45hp at the crank.

The 84" Rhino can be a real challenge in 'virgin' soil sometimes. It is the outside limit of how bog a blade I could run for sure, a 72" would be better with more aggressive cuts.

My logic was that the primary use I was getting it for was road maintenance and that doesn't require a lot of heavy cuts or deep ripping.

I think in the long run you will be happier with the 72" blade you bought.

Best of luck.






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Great Murf! Thanks now that you brought that up, I believe you told me that many months ago when I asked the same thing and that is why I never gave it anouther thought. (man I am gettin old, cant remember 2 months ago!) Laughing out loud

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I have 8 acres of corn that just sprung into life , was worried about it cause it was put in LATE because of rain but it is coming along nicely now.
As for (deer plots) I am sorry habitat improving high nutrition feeding plots (that sounds better to the non-hunters) I have (1) roughly 2 acre plot that last year grew great rape/turnip mix, the clover came in this spring but my lack of weed controll before planting last fall ruined it, so I sprayed round up twice on it (June 28th and then again July 17th) That plot is going into a mix I got from the Mid Michigan QDMA (Ed Spinazola's mix) It has
10% purple top turnips,
30%winter canola,
30%dwarf essex rape,
30%biologic maximum
I paid 20 bucks a bag (one bag does 1 acre) I heard it is a real good mix, I will add a few pounds of clover to it just incase I cant get in the field next spring to plant my forage brassica for summer.
The other food plot is 1 to 1 1/2 acres and is way in the back of the 160 acres (the first one is in the middle but you can barely see a corner of it from the road "that is BAD"Wink yeah right Anyway the secons plot in back has not been in crop since 1990. I limed and had it plowed 3 years ago (also removed all the saplings a year before that) but never was able to hire anyone to come in and finish it (All I had was my 8n and I had no real equipment I needed)
I now dont need anyone!!!! HA HA! (kinda feels good!)
So I sprayed that field the same dates as the other one, will finish ripping it up after plowing next weekend. I am waiting till the 16th of Aug. and will plant
winter wheat in this field. I plan on rotating it into a summer plot next year of a high protein mix along with beans,peas,and clover, will disk this in Aug. 2005 and put it into a brassica mix for the fall draw. I had great success last fall with my brassica mix, the deer were hammering it starting around Oct. 18th (after the first HARD frost) and did not leave the field till they went into their "yards" In Jan. I watched the deer every night the last 10 days of Dec. last year dig up turnips thru the snow. They forgot about the back yard corn pile my only neighbor has out every year (untill well after dark) She was not happy with the plot for she never would see deer before dark! HA HA!!!
Are you planning on planting anything for fall this Aug.?






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not this fall I have alpha and clover going good now but lookin foward to corn next spring, along with some beans and sunflower mix.






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