Post Hole Digger Ineffective: Kubota Review  -- Kubota Tractors Discussion Forum and Review Post Hole Digger Ineffective: Kubota Review -- Kubota Tractors Discussion Forum

  parts   |   manuals   |   discussion   |   photos   |   podcast   |   reviews   |   specs   |   dealers   |   classifieds   |   contact   |   faq   |   myProfile   |   home          Login Now | Sign Up


FAQ:   What is a tractor?

Forum Index

Kubota Tractors
  Kubota News
  Kubota Price
  Kubota Review
John Deere Tractors
  John Deere News
  John Deere Price
  John Deere Review
New Holland Tractors
  New Holland Tractor Price
  New Holland Tractor Revie
Other Tractor Brands
  Articulated Tractors
  Belarus
  Bobcat Tractors
  Case
  Cub Cadet
  Hinomoto
  Kioti Tractor
  Long
  Massey Ferguson
  Mitsubishi
  Other Tractor Brands
  Other Tractor News
  Shibaura
  Yanmar Tractors
Lawn and Garden Tractors
  Craftsman
  Cub Cadet Garden
  John Deere Garden
  Kubota Lawn Garden
  Other Garden Tractors
  Simplicity
  Toro Wheelhorse
  Ventrac Lawn Tractors
Antique Tractors
  Allis Chalmers
  Case David Brown
  Farmall IHC
  Ford
  Ford 9N 2N 8N
  Fordson
  Harry Ferguson
  John Deere Older
  Massey-Harris Ferguson
  Minneapolis Moline
  Oliver Cletrac Cockshutt
  Restoration
  Tractor Pulling
Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph
  Back Hoe
  Field Mowers Brush Cutter
  Grooming Mowers Finish Mo
  Loaders
  Snowblowers / Snow Plows
  Tillers and Ploughs
  Tractor Implements
  Trenchers
  Wood Chippers 3PH
Tractor Maintenance
  Diesel Fuel Lubrication E
  Tractor Engine Repair Reb
  Tractor Tires
Utility ATV
  All Terrain Vehicles
  John Deere Gator
  Mule Utility Vehicles
General Tractor
  Farming Ranching Agricult
  Photo Contest
  Size Tractor Needed
  Tractor Projects
  Tractor Safety
  Welding
Chinese Tractors
  Jinma Farmpro Agracat
  NorTrac Tractors
  Other Chinese Tractors
Cars
  All Brands
  Audi VW
  BMW
  Car Tires and Maintenance
  Chrysler
  Exotic, Sports, Racing
  Ford Cars
  General Motors
  Honda
  Hyundai
  Mercedes
  News
  Nissan
  Subaru
  SUV and Trucks
  Toyota Cars
Trucks Trailers
  Chevy Pickup Trucks
  Dodge Pickup Trucks
  Ford Pickup Trucks
  Toyota Pickup Trucks
  Chevy Pickup Trucks
  Dodge Pickup Trucks
  Ford Pickup Trucks
  Toyota Pickup Trucks
Home Building
  Alternate Electric Energy
  Barns Pole Barns
  Buying Ranch Farm Acreage
  Carpentry
  Contractors
  Electric
  Excavation
  Moldings Finish Trim
  Other Home Building
  Pellet Stoves
  Plumbing
  Wood Stoves
Tools
  Electirc Power Tools
  Gas Power Tools
  Generators
  Shop Tools
  Techniques Howto
Landscape
  Flowers Shrubs Garden
  Golf Course Maintenance
  Irrigation Systems
  Landscape Design
  Landscape Lighting
  Landscape Maintenance
  Lawn, Turf, and Grass
  Vegetable Gardening
Construction
  Caterpillar
  Komatsu
  Wheel Loaders
Current Events Health Happiness
  Current Events
  Dogs and other Pets
  Electronics And Computers
  Food
  Health
  Just For Fun Off Topic
  Movies Music Games
  Personal Finance Investme
  Sports Outdoors
Tractorpoint Site
  Member Photos
  Site Members
  Website Operations Howto


New As Posted | Active Subjects



Click to Post a New Message!

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Kubota Review Forum

Page [ 1 ] | 2 | 3 | | Next >>
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo
 01-24-2004, 16:37 Post: 74955
HuckMeat

TP Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Colorado
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 121

5
Filter by User
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

So I took delivery of my 4330 and goodies yeaterday, and have had a chance to test everything out. Box blade works great, backhoe is fantastic, and the loader is strong. But the post hole digger is woefully ineffective. It's a rhino, RPHD with a 9" auger. In the softer soil at one end of my property, it will start and I'm able to go down about 8-10". On a rockier area, I start it, and it bounces and groans and mostly losens the dirt and swirls it around. Pulling the tractor out and shutting it down, I can go in by hand with a thin shovel and dig the dirt out - It's packed/compressed, hard but diggable.
(No deeper than 8" or so).

The auger has two replaceable cutting edges (brand new) with a fish flute point in the center. I can see how people get all jacked up with these things - When they don't dig, I imagine people want to jump on the back and push them in. (My neighbor is an ER doc and has told me horror stories about 3pt post hole diggers).

So at this point, I'm thinking that I picked the wrong kind of digger for what I need to do. Obviously, my ground is a lot harder than normal 3pt diggers typically work in.

My dealer said if the 3pt didn't work out, he'd help me out if I wanted to trade up to something else. I have the quick tach on the front of my 853 loader, and I have the BH90 backhoe.

With all the rocks in my area, I'm thinking now having a hydraulic drive would be smart, since I can back it out if needed with power.

So do I mount a hydraulic PHD on the bucket, on the quick tach (skid steer mount) or off of the backhoe? Which options are going to cost what. I guess I need to add a hydraulic circuit to drive it too. My dealer is quoting ~2500 to get it plumbed and attached to the quick tach, but I see quick tach units on Fleabay for ~1200, and I'd only need to add a hyd circuit.

Guidance here? I'm going to be doing a lot of PHD work, so I think I overestimated the capabilities of the typical 3 pt PHD. Any recommendations on cutting heads, flutes, sizes, and prices? 2500 seems like a lot, but if that is what it's going to take to work....

I'll post pictures soon. The BH90 dug my septic profile pit in 15 minutes in the same rocky soil. If I can get my perc holes drilled with the PHD, I'll save $500 off the bat in perc truck, only having to hire the engineer to come on site.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 01-25-2004, 09:11 Post: 74995
TomG

TP Contributor

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Upper Ottawa Valley
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5406

4
Filter by User
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

Don't know something doesn't sound quite right here. My very ordinary $900CDN 12" auger will dig 3'+ holes in about 5 minutes or less. The soil here is very sandy with some rock. I did get into something like you describe when digging on grass. It would cut a plug of turf that would just spin around. I had to start the holes and then clean off the auger before continuing. Occasionally it'd want to take off at an angle and wouldn't dig very well. I dig in the loader bucket and use the curl to reposition the tractor slightly and keep the hole vertical.

They do dig better if the auger is pulled up a bit periodically to clear some dirt out of the hole. It also straightens out the hole because 3ph's lower in arcs and it's possible to get one stuck. I do break shear pins on rocks and I've had to break rocks up with a tempered prybar and pull out the pieces with a hand clam-shell digger. Specialty bits might drill through some rock but I'd be in trouble if I needed a hole where there was a big rock. I couldn't get several holes through some old highway bed and had to resort to rock cairns around the posts above ground.

Top-end augers do have down-pressure kit options but I haven't needed anything like that. If I really needed it I'd strap a sandbag on somewhere. Like your friend says, nobody should be anywhere near an auger when it's working. Lots of injuries happen taking them on and off 3ph's too.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 01-25-2004, 09:37 Post: 74999
harvey



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Moravia, NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1529
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

TomG has hit all the nails on the head. Mine does not like sod very good. I have a longer point built onto mine and I have some nubs on the cutters.

I have some clay by the pond and have to be real careful about letting PHD hog into soil. I carry a big pipe wrench to back it out if it gets stuck.

By the creek I have hard gravel and shear a fair number of bolts in that. Patience is the key here.

HYD driven PHD's are more top of the line and very pricey.

I guess I'd be more inclined to use the BH for any structural posts or fence line work etc. I've helped build several large dairy barns and sheds only using a TLB to dig post holes.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 01-25-2004, 10:09 Post: 75001
DRankin



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Northern Nevada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5105

5
Filter by User
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

A small backhoe with a 10 inch bucket is a marvelous tool.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 01-25-2004, 17:03 Post: 75028
HuckMeat

TP Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Colorado
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 121

5
Filter by User
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

Update:

My current project is pre-drilling perc holes for soils tests. I can't dig it up with a backhoe - The integrity of the soil around the hole has to be kept for a reasonable perc test.

If I sink it in, and let it work, it will do a nice job going about 8 or 10 inches, and then "stop". It's spinning fine, but just quits digging. Pulling the PHD out, moving the tractor, and shutting everything down, I find a nicely polished circle of clay. The auger is simply not digging into the clay. (Goes well through the topsoil). Should I play with different cutting edges? The edges on the auger, like the rest of the setup, are brand new.I can take a spade and dig the clay out by hand. It seems like the downforce is probably needed. I expect I'll be putting in 300+ posts, so I'd like to have this work, or have the dealer take it back.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 01-25-2004, 20:19 Post: 75054
DRankin



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Northern Nevada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5105

5
Filter by User
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

I think you have just learned what to expect from a PHD on your piece of land.

I can't get mine to work reliably either. In some places I have 2 feet of fine sand that just falls back into the hole resulting in a 1 foot deep cone shaped depression. Below the sand layer is hardpan that you would swear would break a pick.

The PHD is useless in either layer.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 01-25-2004, 23:20 Post: 75066
JParker

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Richmond, VA
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 152
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

I don't have a PHD yet, but a friend helped me set a 6x6 about 5' into the ground about 2 years ago during the drought. Very hard, dry clay most of the way down.

He had a 3ph mounted digger on a 20hp Deere CUT.

We needed more down pressure most of the hole. His trick was to use a "Digging Pole" wedged into the top of the PHD. I think it was above the gear box. As I remember it, the "Digging Pole" was a 6' steel pole with what looks like a splitting wedge on one end and a large head for striking on the other end. Used for cutting roots...

That let us put a little leverage on the rig to keep it cutting, but kept us about 4' away from the auger.

It went kind of slowly, but I think we had the hole dug in about 30 minutes. Compared to hand digging, there was no contest. The tractor won hands down.

There seemed to be a space just the size of the wedge on his PHD. The pole just stayed there like it was made for it, even when we weren't holding it. Maybe he welded a pocked in for it himself? Don't know.

Just stay back and respect that auger. I just saw a show on PAX TV about a farmer & wife. She was on tractor, he was "working" the auger. He lost an arm, and almost his life.

- JParker






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 01-26-2004, 04:18 Post: 75069
blizzard



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Central Maine
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 282

2
Filter by User
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

I agree with TomG that something sounds wrong! Is it possible that being so new, the 3PH is 'tight' and hanging up. Do you have a knob to control the speed that the 3PH lowers? Is it set too slow? If you can dig it with a shovel, the PHD should zip right through. Are the cutting edges free of paint? Is the rotation correct? Is it possible that when the backhoe was mounted, the 3PH was locked in position, and needs to be released? Is the PTO driveshaft the proper length? Does it dig at SLOW speeds?
Sorry for all the questions, I don't have a Deere but my 24 PTO-HP 9" auger digs in clay-gravel that a pick-axe will only peck away at (but it does eat shear-pins), so I'm thinking there is a simple solution....

bliz






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 01-26-2004, 07:55 Post: 75083
TomG

TP Contributor

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Upper Ottawa Valley
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5406

4
Filter by User
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

I had some thoughts similar to Blizzard's overnight--especially the flow control and rpm. Sort of reminds me of a big wood auger I bought. The slow speed of my 2-speed 1/2" motor is too fast for it. It pulls the screw out of the wood and then the auger just spins around and scorches the wood--real frustrating.

I never looked for specialty bits since mine digs OK. Maybe somebody else has experience with similar soil and knows about various bit types. I might slow down on the hydraulic auger idea a little since that in itself may not solve the digging problem--reverse sure might be handy though.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 01-26-2004, 09:06 Post: 75092
HuckMeat

TP Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Colorado
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 121

5
Filter by User
 Post Hole Digger Ineffective

Thanks for the points to check. I'm going to go give it a whirl again, and check these to make sure. I think things are working well, because it does the first 8-12 inches just fine (depositing the dirt on the side of the hole). Then it hits the clay, and just spins. If I shut it all down and go in with a skinny shovel, I can jump down and "pop" small pieces of clay off myself, then grab the clay chunks out by hand. I tried digging out 1/2 the hole with the shovel, then running the auger. seems like this gets me a little bit, but I soon have a smooth, polished, hard clay bottom again. So Sad

I talked to a local excavator, and he said they don't even try without hydraulic downfornce. I guess calling this area "dirt" would be pushing it. Smile






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo


Page [ 1 ] | 2 | 3 | | Next >>

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Kubota Review Forum

Thread 74955 Filter by Poster:
17ACRES 1 | blizzard 2 | brokenarrow 1 | Chief 1 | DRankin 5 | harvey 1 | HuckMeat 5 | JParker 1 | Murf 2 | shortmagnum 1 | TomG 4 |

 (advanced search)

Picture of the Day
Chaos921

Other Chinese Tractors - Anyone have any info on this tractor
Anyone have any info on this tractor


Unanswered Questions

Belarus 825 - needs a new clut
Drain Cock
Need more hydraulic flow for s
HINOMOTO HB 501
Belarus 420A - Problems bleed

Active Subjects

460 Long hyd leak
460 axle
Key will not start engine
6x4 engine rebuild vsHarbor Fr
Things we say and what do they
The Plus and Minus of Ignoring
Looking to buy a New Pickup Tr
Need more hydraulic flow for s


Hot Topics

Tractor Category 1 2 3 Hitch s
Duerr hp 678 Chipper replaceme
Gator 620i gas in engine oil
KUBOTA Tractor Trouble Free Qu
Gator 6x4 Overheating problem
Duerr hp 678 Chipper Manual
Adjusting 7308 Pressure Relief
Long 460 hydraulic problem


Featured Suppliers

Mountain Creek Labradoodles
      MountainCreekLabradoodles.com





New Forums on Gun Sport Shooting and Hunting -- BarrelPoint.com  New Forums on Horses ManePoint.com
Talk Horses at ManePoint
Hunting + Gun Sports at BarrelPoint



Most Viewed

+ Kubota AT70s Rear Tine Tiller
+ Kubota HST GST Shuttle or Gear Transmission
+ Best Boom Mower for Kubota B2710 Tractor
+ Definition of Tractor Loader Breakout force
+ Kubota B3200 vs JD 2720
+ New Kubota L3240 First Look Review
+ Kubota Transmission Fluid SUDT
+ Kubota BX2230 VS kIOTI CK20HST
+ KUBOTA Tractor Trouble Free Quality
+ kubota bx25 vs john deere 2720

Most Discussion

+ How to match Truck to Trailer
+ New Kubota L3240 First Look Re
+ Kubota Number 1 in Compact Tra
+ KUBOTA Tractor Trouble Free Qu
+ Source for after market produc
+ 3-Point Quick Hitch
+ B 7100 ST - Making the Leap
+ Kubota Transmission Fluid SUDT
+ Kubota vs John Deere Compact T
+ L3130HST vs JD4310Hydro HELP

Newest Topics

+ Kubota B2301 vs Deere 2025R vs Mahindra Max24
+ 5040 shear on my PTO shaft
+ Kubota B7100 HST Flipped Will Not Move
+ Kubota b7100-hst
+ B2601 vs bx1800
+ 2000 B2710 I need a loader dealer wants over 4K an
+ Upgrading the Factory 145amp Alternator to 40 Amp
+ Kubota BX2750 Snowblower Fan Shear Pin Alignment
+ Size Kubota for Homeowner Use
+ I need some OEM Quality decals for a B7500 DT-TLB
















Turbochargers for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Cab Glass for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Alternators for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Radiators for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Driveline Components for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Starter Motors for Tractors and Industrial Machines