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2004-01-04          73039


Well this board has been sitting here empty (more or less) for a while so I thought I'd put it to some use. We have recieved our first shipment of KAMA tractors. (Yes there are Chinese tractors other than JINMA!) I am impressed (even beyond my bias as a dealer). These feature a mechanical shuttle shift (must stop but not change gear ratio). Models are availabe from 25 to 50 HP. We also have a parts channel for Tai SHan and KAMA tractors and are working at building up the spares available in the USA. There are several Jinma dealers that are doing the same for that brand. Parts are also much more reasonable for most Chinese tractors than the "popular" brands.


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2004-01-04          73048


Chip- Tell me more about the Kama tractors. Have they been through the Nebraska Tractor Lab. THis is required of all tractors 40HP or larger before they can be sold in Nebraska. I sell Lenar and could use the availability of a larger line of tractors. Let me know how they price out and what their claim-to-fame is. Thanks! Russ ....

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2004-01-05          73084


Russ,
The KAMA is a design by Worldbest Kama, a consortium of Chinese manufacturers who got together to develope products that would appeal to the world market. The factory that produces the tractor for us is the largest producer of mid size tractors for the domestic market with 60% market share and over 25,000 units per year. I have these on the ground and would invite you to come see. IMO the casting quality and overall workmanship exceeds the more popular Chinese brands sold in the US, the engines are easy starting direct injection and the gearboxes are constant mesh for easier shifting.

Is the 40HP testing requirement based on gross or PTO HP? send me your email address and I can send you some additonal info. A 40HP version of the KM is also available. ....

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2004-01-05          73132


Russ: Any of the Lenar offerings 40hp or better --if so have they gone through the Nebraska testing? ....

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2004-01-06          73227


Right now, Lenar is only offering the 28HP model 274 in the U.S. The 25HP second generation model will be out sometime this year??? I've had a few customer inquiries about larger compacts, but I don't offer any. ....

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2004-01-07          73391


does anyone know about the terra-plane tractors, i have a friend looking at them. it is the 38 horse 4X4. ....

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2004-01-07          73395


The Terraplane 38HP is a DongFeng or DF tractor. These tractors have a solid reputation. Your friend may also want to look at the KAMA TS354C or KM454 before making a decision. IMO these are some of the best China has to offer. Jinma also build a tractor in this size catagory, either 35 or 40HP the Jinma has the largest number of dealers and their smaller tractors have made them very popular in the US. If your friend would consider a smaller tractor, than Lenar (also sold as Agtraxx) is of Comparable quality to the DF or KAMA, but it is only available in 28HP at present. Of course the dealer can add to or detract from the overall value of any tractor purchase. ....

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2004-01-07          73413


Thanks for the information. It is very difficult to find anything out on the terra-plane. I just found out that he ordered the terra-plane with frontend loader and backhoe today. Just FYI, i have a 790 jd that i really enjoy. I have a good friend that is the head of the jd service department that is 27 miles from us. Thanks again. ....

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2004-01-10          73642


just added a page of pictures of the TS354C on our website. ....


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2004-01-10          73688


That is sharp. What is the going price as pictured? Do they have factory FEL and BH's as well? ....

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2004-01-11          73695


Gale,
Glad to hear you also think this is a sharp tractor! There is more info on the main Page. The TS354C as shown is under $9K. Yes factory loaders and backhoe are available and we are also working with Koyker to supply brackets for their loaders. ....


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2004-01-13          73903


Which snowblower attachments are compatible with TaiShan tractors? ....

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2004-01-13          73904


Well Frank, I guess being in Arkansas, I never even thought about snow blowers! The tractor has a CAT 1 three point and standard 6 spline PTO so rear mounts should be no problem, I have heard of those also being used on JINMA tractors with good success.
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2004-01-13          73910


Thanks! We get plenty here. We got 48in. total in December. ....

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2004-01-13          73912


Thats a lot of snow! White Christmas We get 2 or 3 inches about every other year! But on the other hand it can get to 100 in the Summer here so it isn't perfect. As a kid I lived outside of Detroit, I remember a 12" snow once, but been back there in the winter and don't miss it a bit. ....

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2004-01-21          74618


Well now that DF has been talked about who is the new "task master " line made by ? is it too a DF product ?, and now that you have looked at the DF how does it compare with the Jinma line and its affiliate names ....... yes they seem solid but how does the DF compare without knocking one or the other ?
To a point they all seem to look the same the one thing I kinda wonder about is why other than the big 3 and Jinma no other Chinese maker offers something from the 16-20 hp market with a slightly smaller frame funny they would not go after this as the big 3 have many in this class.
Well inquiry minds what to know as usual any help would be appriciated.

have a good day all .... enjoy your tractors !

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2004-01-21          74624


Terry... my impression is that they are selling us the tractors designed/sized for Chinese farming.

Much the same as the first Kubota's and Yanmars that came through the pipe were really just Japanese farm tractors that didn't have modern three point hitches and such.

In fact most were quite underpowered with 2 cylinder 12-14 hp engines and really were not well suited to the uses we put CUT's to, such as brush hogging and blowing snow.

I suspect when the Chinese get the feedback from this marketplace they will respond with 20 hp, 2000# machine with all the fixings. They are already making stabs at the 4 wheeler/ATV market..... so someone over there is paying attention.

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2004-01-21          74678


Hi Mark;

Thanks for your thoughts, I have a Yanmar 165D 4x4 right now but am wanting to get a bit bigger JM 184 , so I am trying to get a feel for the Jinma, I have looked at them
yes I agree they are not even quite as refined as my 20 year old Yanmar but call me a fool for the underdog, I am somehow enticed to them , maybe because they are different.
Well If I get one and it gives me anywhere near the service my 165D gives me well I will be pleased and Im sure with a bit of TLC they will do this faithfully.
Im sure in the next 5 years we will see huge changes in the Jinma, Im sure they will soon look and run like any of the others.

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2004-01-22          74752


Who the hell really cares what a tractor looks like? Its how they work and last that matters,for 8,000 dollars less then jd or kob,for same SIZE,I can do without some bells and blow things.I still say you are better off getting a 25 h.p sears mower to mow your yard and a 8,000 dollar jinma to do your other work,then getting an oversized lawnmower with 4wd to try and do both,your still thousands ahead,and you actually have equipment sized for your job. Richard ....

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2004-03-06          78990


What is the price on the tractor with a loader and how big a mower will it pull. I've never owned a tractor but recently bought five acres and would like to keep it mowed any suggestions on attachments? Thanks ....

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2004-03-06          79068


The 35 HP sells a little over $8K, loader will add about $3K
(thanks to rising steel prices US loaders and implements seem to be rising).
The TS254C 25HP model can be had for around $9K with a loader. Backhoes are available. ....

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2004-03-06          79069


Oops, sorry, forgot the mower part of the question!
for general mowing, up to 5' brush or 6' finish ont the TS254C, the 35HP still fits best with these sizes although Im confident it will pull a 6' brush mower in "light-moderate duty" applications (not clearing young forests).

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2004-03-06          79076


Is the KM504 shuttle? What is the price with the loader? ....

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2004-03-06          79084


Yes, the KM504/554 has the mechanical shuttle shift.
We are waiting for pricing from KOYKER for their new 185 loader designed to fit the KM454-554 series tractors. Should be available in a couple of weeks. The base tractor lists at $ 10,995. The KM454 is $ 9995. ....


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2004-03-20          80508


Has anyone purchased/used one enough to give us their early opinion? ....

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2004-03-20          80536


With any luck Gale, I'll have a KM454 by this time next month. You're welcome to come on over, and get an up close and personal look-see

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Does anyone have any impressions of these tractors. I am considering the purchase of one and would like to get an opinion of their quality and handling. Any help appreciated. Thanks

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2004-04-03          82029


I have a 35 hp kama with a loader but just have 6 hr on it .Ihope the shutel shift will get easer to get in and out of gear. now when I shift it will hang up in neutral and it gets old quick. But with just 2hr. that I put on it ank most of that was with little shifting Icany puy all of the blame on the tractor ....

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AS you can see I cant type or drive ....

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2004-04-03          82047


The shifting should get easier as it gets broken in, This is a mechanical shuttle, must stop to shift. We have asked the factory to make the lever a little longer to make it easier to reach and to shift, you could probably add an extension onto your lever if you wanted to. But wait till you have a few hours to see if you really need it. ....

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I have ordered a Kama 554 with Koyker 245 - should arrive in about two weeks (former Benye 3424 owner). I will post my impressions asap. ....

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Jeff, how did you like your Benya? I'm thinking about someday getting the Benya 224 , but i would like to hear from someone who had one first. ....

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2004-04-13          82950


Chip
Will the Kama Cut and square bale hay with the shuttle shift.
also would need a FEL & backhoe for this tractor?
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I was wondering if anyone could give me your impression of the hydraulics on these tractors. It appears on the TS354C that the Hydraulic pump is PTO driven. I am only going to be using this tractor to run a 6 ft hog and a tedder.

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Jeff
Can you tell us the Price for the Kama 554&
Koyker 245, currently looking and found a dealer in Vestal,NY
Have yet to go to this Dealer and start talking.
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Hi Ron

With Koyker 245, 7' box blade (Cat II), spreader/fertilizer & Cat II boom, price is $16,500 - with all replacables converted to American standard (Gates hoses, baldwin filters, etc.)

Will get it on Sat. and will post impressions as soon as I get some time on it - really getting anxious. ....

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Hi Durwood,

Sorry to be so long in responding - I have been away from the computer for several days.

The Benye has been a great tractor - tough, rugged and dependable. I owned the 34HP - 4WD. The finish work is rough, but the basic structure is solid. A real work horse. I had the Benye for 5 years and put about 800 hours on the machine - sold it for a bit over 50% over what I paid for it in 1999. Hope this is useful to you. ....

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2004-04-30          84811


Gale - My KM454 arrived this morning. Feel free to drive over and have a look at it this weekend.

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hi there I just wanted some info on the Kama's. I just got into selling them and want to be sure on some things like the pulling power and other fetures. I have a tractor myself and know some what about tractors like pto and three point the simple things. So if you could contact me that would be great
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Umm, YOU are selling these tractors, and you are asking US for basic sales information to sell them? I am truly amazed... ....

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Ami,
How would one contact you, there is no information to contact you with! ....

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Greg G.,
You should have had that 454 for several months, can you give us your opinion on it yet? I would like to hear what you think of it so far! Thanks! ....

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2004-06-23          89246


I lost two weeks on out of state business, so I've actually only been able to put about 18 hours on it. That said, it's a REAL tractor - compared to the Jinma it replaced. Direct injection, 8x8 shuttle shift, two hydraulic pumps, twin remotes, draft control, sprung seat, and even a 12v DC outlet.

Fit and finish was typically Chinese, but being a former Jinma owner I was prepared for that. There were more cases of TFOT (things falling off tractor) than the Jinma though. Only one problem actually caused a work stoppage though; a fuel line blew at 13 hours. I think my Jinma fuel line lasted about 60 hours. Everything else was minor, a few of them plain old pilot error.

Much better looking than the Jinma, hydraulic opening hood and sunken battery tray are a welcome change. No problems mowing uphill either, L3 or L4 for just about everything. Jinma had an aggravating need for L3 to mow uphill, H1 for everyplace else.

Going to have to do something about those wire wrapped fuses though. I think I saw some extra large blade type fuses at AutoZone, but I'm not sure they're big enough. I'm probably going to be breaking ice when it comes to all the other crossover parts too. But Chip's been very helpful so far, I look forward to a long and fruitful relationship (and maybe some crossover numbers).

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2004-07-19          91370


Greg,
What do you think of the shuttle shift? I have heard the location of the lever is poor, but you know how some opinions are! Thanks! ....

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2004-07-19          91381


Yeah, the location of the shuttle shift lever leaves a bit to be desired. Nonetheless, it's far better than the 6x2 creeper it replaced.

Had I a need for yet another tractor, I wouldn't be afraid of another KAMA. And yes, I definitely got what I paid for.

The Maxi-Blade fuse idea didn't work. They look similar, but aren't compatible after all. Now the trick will be to find an electronics supply guy old enough to remember fuse wire. If any of you out there can help, I need 3a, 10a, and 30a fuse wire.

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2004-07-20          91400


I stopped by and looked at Greg's KAMA a couple months ago and I was impressed. I have been driving tractors for 48 years and my last one was a Zetor. Greg's tractor really is sharp, not at all like what I was expecting based on what I had heard about "China" tractors. Now the car's are starting to come in from China as well. It is clear China factories are serious about the US market and the look and feel of the newer tractors shows that they are listening to the customers. I remember being about 12 and I saw a Ford that looked interesting so I asked my dad about it and he say, "Ahh that is one of them "English" Ford's and not as good as a regular Ford." If you will surf the web concerning AG practices in other parts of the world you will see China built tractors in many places outside of China. ....

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2004-09-16          96580


Ron did you purchase the KM504? I'm in NY also (Orange county) and interested in the KM454. Reaching out for some feedback. Who did you deal with in NY?
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2021-06-24          200396


Is anybody still out there it looks like an old feed. I really need some help. have a ts254c and i really need to do something about the wire wound fuses, did you ever do anything. Would any body know where i could get a complete wiring diagram of this tracytor. ....

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2021-06-24          200397


I just got some that i ordered, i may have left, let me k ow it you still need them ....

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