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Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

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earthwrks
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2006-09-02          133920


I saw a Montana CUT about the same size as my NH TC33D (33hp) that had a FEL with curved loader arms seemingly identical to the late-model NH version. Anyone know if they are the same or who makes the loader?

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2006-09-02          133922


My CASE LX110 curved arm loader is made in Canada and CNH only has one plant in Canada, that being in Saskatoon where they make seed planting machines and sprayers. So, it looks like they out source to some other firm with a Canadian plant. The Aussie LX110 curved arm loader is built in Australia to the same design (this according to the Aussie dealer website). It's a mystery. ....

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2006-09-02          133924


On boy, this sounds like a question for Murf. Ezee-On, Leon, Bulher Allied, Frey, JD in Welland, I don't know of anyone making a curved armed loader, but one model of Leon and they only make one loader in their line the M2000 and it is very light. Bulher has the best relations with NH as they manufacture the larger genisis tractors in Blue paint, but they do not sell the Allied loaders with the NH design. Murf? ....

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2006-09-05          133964


I can't say for sure, but the rumour is they are being made by Buhler, it would make sense since there are a lot of Ag. manufacturers up here, but very few with the engineering and production capabilities of Buhler.

I'm told they are being made under contract, the terms of which forbid Buhler from selling them directly, as Allied, they're own brand, but they are allowed to sell them to other OEM companies.

I'm also told BTW, that a certain off-shore CUT bearing these FEL's is being imported by a company owned by one of the "big boys" an interesting twist if true.

Best of luck. ....

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2006-09-05          133966


Is there any advantage to the curved arm loaders over the boxier style other than looks and maybe visibility? ....

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2006-09-05          133969


Ken, it is a combination of two things, IMHO.

First, esthetics and sales BS, they claim better visibility, etc., but not having ever been on a machine so equipped I cannot say much about this part.

Secondly, strength, since the curved beam is not available as an extruded tube like a conventional FEL is made from, the beams are fabricated by welding 4 pieces of cut plate steel into a curved box beam. This means they can avoid the traditional gusseted joint between two seperate pieces of tube in a 'normal' FEL.

While this second point is true, it is also misleading, again IMHO, since the strength of a FEL is almost always FAR in excess of whatever forces the machine under it can introduce into it. The exception being something like a dead weight being dropped into the bucket, or hitting something while making a charge into something. In every case where I have seen a FEL damaged from either of these actions, it was NEVER the joint which bent, it was always the longer main tube which racked. IMHO, a single longer curved tube would be even more likely, if they were of equal strength, to bend under an over-stress situation.

Best of luck.

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2006-09-05          133974


Murf; Not being a mechanical engineer, is there not an inherent greater strength in the arch rather than the box beam? I guess I should learn more about finite element analysis. ....

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2006-09-05          133975


I've always been told that the curved beam loaders have greater visibility. Yea, they are stuck way out in front of the front tires. I'm told they do not have the same (actual) lift capacity although they are rated the same. ....

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2006-09-05          133977


Eric, a curve or circle is one of the strongest shapes in nature, witness an egg shell, or the famous Roman Arch.

But in this case it is not so much the strength of the curved beam vs the straight beam, it is elimination of a joint, which is typically a weak spot.

However, as I stated earlier, they add so much steel to the joint, that it ends up actually being stronger than the plain tubes it is joining.

Best of luck. ....

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2006-09-05          133978


Murf: For clarity, extruded steel tubing is referred to as "seamless" or "DOM" (drawn over mandrel). This stuff is very expensive. Aluminum tubing is typically extruded too since it's easy to melt and form. From my experience, what is used for loaders is the typical and commonplace "welded seam" which starts as flat sheet formed with rollers.

The Montana curved arms I saw were bent, welded-seam tubing. From a design amd build standpoint, the mfg's are saving huge tool and die costs, not to mention simplified assembly. I think it's pretty cool actually. Curved arms ahve been around since the 50's---I've seen some on 8N's made in Ohio. ....

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2006-09-05          133980


Murf; That was my point for the same dimension of tubing would not the curved tube be stronger than the straight tube, which is the weak point in a standard loader, as you stated. Aren't most loaders bent from asymetric loads on one corner of the bucket? Would the curve beam accomidate for this?

EW Could they use hydroforming to get a complex curve that might be closer to the tractor? Would the hydroformed tube be stronger, as they hype on the trucks or is it just hype? ....

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2006-09-05          133986


When I work for the dealership we got most of our loaders right from the manufacturer. It was caller ??? fabricating and welding. It was not any thing I had ever heard of. I can not for the life of me remember the first part of the name. I looked at the Montana loaders before and though VERY similar there are some little differences. ....

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2006-09-05          133994


I believe they were built in Ontario where a ag college is as the name I can't remember but not but a couple of hours from Buffalo as they have changed venders for the big tractors recently. ....

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2006-09-05          133996


Guelph? I don't now of a manufacturer there. ....

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2006-09-05          133997


Thats the place. I thought Murf would have had that one first. ....

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2006-09-06          134012


Sorry Art, I don't work evenings anymore. LOL.

Guelph is definitely where the Ag University is, the University of Guelph.

Or as we used to refer to it, the U. of Goo....

There are many manufacturers in that area, but I can't think of who would be making those loaders. I'll call around and ask.

Best of luck. ....

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