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 11-13-2001, 14:06 Post: 33160
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If I buy a Compact Tractor like a Kubota B7500 or 2710 will I experince a "HUGE" difference in performance of the snow blower versus the Wheelhorse Garden tractor 42" snowblower I have now?

Will I be able to mow the grass and do a good finish job?? Compared to the garden tractor with its 23" tall tires and only 600lbs??

I am using a Wheelhorse Classic Garden Tractor which I have used over the years on the different house I have owned 2 acres, 1/2 acre and now 5 acres with a 1000 foot drive.

Now that I have 5 acres, 2.5 of which is grass I feel the Wheel Horse is just too small. Yet when I go to a dealer and see the machines I chicken out, too much money, seems awful big........

Any advice from those that have STEPPED Up and been happy welcome!!!






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 11-13-2001, 15:47 Post: 33171
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A few years back I stepped up from a sears 10hp to a massey 1225 it was on the lot versus ordering a 1215 and waiting. In my case it is larger than I really needed, I thought. Since I started using it I have found more and more jobs for it. Hopefully it will last threw my later years. In your case if the Troy is still running and doing the job keep it and start putting money away for a new one when the troy gives up the ghost as my sears did. You will have enough down so the price of the Kuboto wont seem so bad. A bigger tractor will do the drive faster than the little troy, and if the Kuboto has a bigger mowing deck cutting time will be less also. upkeep on a bigger tractor is more and toys are more expensive but are not lost by changing tractors down the line as some small garden tractor attachments are.






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 11-13-2001, 16:28 Post: 33175
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Thanks David,

I have been pondering this for a while and since I thought it was somewhat extravagant I have saved up the money for it already in would you believe a separate stash.

My Wheelhorse is about twenty years old now (1983), while still in good shape I could say I've gotten the best of it.

So it really boils down to can I accomplish:
1)Will a B7500 equivalent Compact Tractor allow me to plow the 1000 foot drive in "ONE Pass AFTER the Storm" instead of the every 3" to 6" way I tackle it now "During the Storm" in multiple passes. This would be a big win for me.

2)I need to be able to finish mow the two and half acres which has no trees to make the tractor a "regular use" machine.

3) I will use the loader to satisfy my wifes mulch and dirt garden needs.

Can It can deliver on these objectives????






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 11-13-2001, 20:15 Post: 33184
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Mine is 23 horse and I use a 5ft back blade in light fluffy snow the tractor does not have a problem but the snow banks up over the top of the blade. In heavy snow it pushes large sections of snow which peel off both side of the blades sides. So if you have a loader same thing I would expect that you have to keep moving it to the sides the most snow I had the past couple of years is about 15 inches and I could push it in one diveway about 60 ft but I had to make 5 passes to push the peel off on a 14ft wide drive. Mine has turf tires and I use chains on the front . I have a 5ft 3pth finish mower to mow my yard with a lot of trees the rear mower lets me back in under the trees to get close and get the corners. this saves me running the push mower or weed wacker to finish. On a big snow on your drive I would opt for a blower that way you could get one pass down and one back and be done. Sorry I dont know what a 2710 or 7500 size is but you can compare mine 1500 lb 23 horse 5ft blade 5ft mower 50inch tiller and I would not give it up just add to it, thinking of a FEL as I have moved a lot of dirt with the blade and it would be easier to transport dirt further with a FEL.






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 11-13-2001, 20:53 Post: 33185
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David,

B7500 is about 1400 lbs / 21 hp and the B2710 is about 1800 lbs / 27 hp. for just the tractor without implements. That's very helpful info, my drive is paved and is about 14 feet wide plus I have a parking area tha is about 45 by 80 which I sometimes can't push or can't snowblow with my single stage blower. I had been tempted by the rear blade because it gets windy here and I ususally have to blow in only one direction, so I either blow with it ot become a snow man. But the snowblower is great because I get no snow banks which hold the melt an cause huge sections of ice. The snowblower eliminates that icing problem.

Since I only have beds and one tree on the 2.5 acres of grass I was thinking 3pH mower until I realized I just have one garage bay to store this stuff in, then I started thinking the belly mower would be better and also probably get me close to the flower beds contours without having to trim. Now with the WheelHorse I only trim once a month it gets so close.

Decisions ........!







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 11-14-2001, 06:13 Post: 33190
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I remember agonizing about costs. Actually, I suppose it was my wife who was doing the agonizing since she had to listen to most of it. Finally she said something like ’If you want it, you want it and it don't have to be justified--the money is there.' As is often the case, it was pretty good advice from my wife. I think I was mostly trying to figure how a tractor would fit into things and money was not the thing in itself. Money was just a common term to compare my 'more of this means less of that' thinking. Anyway, I'm not sure anybody except farmers can ever adequately cost-justify their tractors. For the rest of us, there's a big recreational component and perhaps other reasons too. Over the long haul, I'd probably like using my tractor better than taking vacations, it that was a choice. For these reasons, an 'I want the tractor' and I'm willing to give up this or that to get it should be a pretty good reason. Never the less, a tractor is a pretty expensive thing, and it should fit in with things well enough to be kept pretty busy or a person may continue to think of it as 'too expensive.'

In terms of keeping a tractor busy, the 3ph and a loader are good ways. Relatively inexpensive 3ph implements are available that can adapt a tractor to almost any imaginable equipment job. Tractors do sort of fill up lives because you can be walking through the yard and think: 'Gee it would nice to have that.' With a tractor, these inspirations are virtually within reach and you just do them. Considering how the time may otherwise be spent, the price of a tractor might be considered a bargain. Of course, you do end up building a shed--or a bigger one.

Anyway, all sorts of things can be said about tractor size and power. I sort of used up my length here spinning philosophy. However, I think it's an important part of owning a tractor. Unless having a tractor means not eating or being warm, owning one is less about money than it is about making choices in how you spend your time--except for farmers of course who choose among different choices.






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 11-14-2001, 08:47 Post: 33195
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I really like to sell the BX series tracotors for under 5 acres. It does all that many of the bigger tractors do. The cut on a kubota deck is one of the best. The loader and the attachments are easy to install and remove and they are very versatile tractors that are not overwhelming to operate.






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 11-14-2001, 09:03 Post: 33197
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Art,

I have 5 acres and a long 1000 foot paved drive. I have looked at the BX, and can say that it could easily replace my Garden Tractor as it is comparable in size and ground clearance.

The fact that my lawn area is an unobstructed 2.5 acres out of the 5 has led me to believe that I could push the size up to the B7500 or B2710, would I be that unhappy with the cut and manueurability of the larger B's vs the bx in this situation???

But that's just it, I wanted something bigger than my Garden Tractor as I fell it is half the size I need.

The Tires on the Bx are about the same as my Wheelhorse and experience tells me that they are too small. Of course the BX is 4wd and that certainly must make a big difference.

Art is there any difference in the "ease of attaching" implements like like front snowblower or belly mower on the BX versus the B7500???






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 11-15-2001, 07:39 Post: 33205
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Just a couple comments about size: When I bought my tractor, I needed to trench for an underground electrical service and couldn't get any contractor to come to the country so I had to do it myself. The trenching requirement sort of defined the size of tractor I needed. We have about 2 acres total of finish mowing but there are quite a few trees and bushes. I don't have a mower for the tractor, because I realized it would be faster to keep using a riding mower. Still, I wouldn't want a smaller tractor because mine is the right size for the rest of my work. Very small tractors start getting into some absolute limitations--they can't be used to trench deep enough, can't lift a rock or break a root. A small tractor does things like mowing, blowing grading, tilling etc. same as a big tractor, they just take longer. However, small tractors do have absolute limitations. By the same token, big ones just can't go some places. An unobstructed 2-acres of finish mowing sounds like a good place for a sizable tractor.

In terms of snow blowing, I think that there may be some difficulty clearing a 45' wide area with a blower, even assuming that the sides are unobstructed and removal can be started from the centre and blown toward each side. I don't think my 5’ blower driven by 24 pto hp would always throw it at least 22.5' (distance depends on the type of snow). I'm reasonable certain that sometimes I'd end up blowing some snow that already had been blown. Not a big problem for me most of the time, but with less power, I'd have to take it in several passes or reduce ground speed a lot.

If I was planning to blow a 45' wide area and considering buying a tractor of modest hp, I think I'd research blowers carefully. The size and rpm of the blower fan has a lot to do with the distance it throws, and also the hp required. The blower width also affects the required h. It may work better to get a high rpm fan blower, even if that means going for a smaller blower to get a small tractor within the recommended hp range for the blower. Of course, this is another case for a bigger tractor.






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 11-17-2001, 07:18 Post: 33246
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Gator, I can't help you with your snowblower questions. But I can give you my opinion on "stepping up". I went from an MTD 42" riding mower used on 4 fairly flat, clear acres to a TC29, which is New Hollands 25 PTO hp, 2500 lb. tractor. I initially wanted a TC21, but when I compared them side-by-side, I didn't much care for the 21 (it is about 1500 lbs.) I went with the 29 instead of the 25 to get a live PTO with the standard transmission. Anyway, I'm really glad I got the bigger tractor. We bought a house/land with about 3 acres of cleared yard, and about 3 more acres of rocks and trees. I've done work with the 29 that the smaller tractor just wouldn't do; it will push an unbelievably large pile of brush and push/lift/move very big rocks. As for finish mowing quality, I'd say it is close to as good with a 3 point hitch finish mower as my Lowes mower. The wider mower just skips over more dips than the lawn mower.
Good luck,
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