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 03-31-2006, 10:35 Post: 126953
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Anybody have utility pole guy wires you have to mow under?

I have A guy wire that I need to have removed or relocated but I can't even get Charter Cable to come out and look at the problem much less fix it.

Anyone out there ever have any success with getting Charter to do anything?

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 03-31-2006, 10:56 Post: 126954
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I don't know about Charter, I assume they are your local company, but I do know about utility wires, and all the stuff that holds them up.

If, and I want to emphasize the word "IF" you can get them to make a change, it will be expensive. In most cases they will not do anything, beg, plead, or scream.

They guy wires are positioned to offset the pull in another direction. If they are relocated they will not be as effective, if any good at all.

In some cases they will install something called a 'stiff leg' which is, as the name suggest, a rigid bar extending out horizontally from the pole over which the guy wire is then strung. This means the guy wire now comes down vertically instead of on an angle. They are usually seen where a sidewalk needs to go between the pole and the guy wire.

The simplest solution, and always the cheapest, is to merely replace the grass where you can't mow with something that doesn't need mowing, like mulch or gravel with barrier cloth below it.

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 03-31-2006, 11:48 Post: 126955
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1* don't know about Charter, I assume they are your local company, but I do know about utility wires, and all the stuff that holds them up.
2*If, and I want to emphasize the word "IF" you can get them to make a change, it will be expensive. In most cases they will not do anything, beg, plead, or scream.
3*They guy wires are positioned to offset the pull in another direction. If they are relocated they will not be as effective, if any good at all.
4*In some cases they will install something called a 'stiff leg' which is, as the name suggest, a rigid bar extending out horizontally from the pole over which the guy wire is then strung. This means the guy wire now comes down vertically instead of on an angle. They are usually seen where a sidewalk needs to go between the pole and the guy wire.
5*The simplest solution, and always the cheapest, is to merely replace the grass where you can't mow with something that doesn't need mowing, like mulch or gravel with barrier cloth below it.
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1*They are the local T V cable company but I'm not their customer as I don't have their service.
2*In that case It's tempting to simply dig out the screw in anchor and wrap the guy wire around the pole and lean the anchor against the pole.
I bet If I caught the guy wire with the rops Tearing it off the pole they'd replace it at no charge or they might not even reinstall it.
The way I see it they can fix it now or after I do that.
3*The guy wire may not have been positioned in the best place to start with or it may not have been needed in the first place. How effective is it if I hit the wire with the tractor and pull the pole down?
I'm simply trying to get them come out here so we can discus the problem to see if a better alternative can be worked out.
I don't think that's unreasonable or asking to much out of them.
4*I have a similar idea in mind but how do I even suggest it when I can't get them to come out and look at the site?
5*That would work for that but not for a path or trail that you travel with the tractor.

I have another pole in the front yard that I made them remove the screw anchor and take the wire off the pole and they never did put in that guy wire. I was here when they went to install it and made them stop.
They slipped the other one on the other pole when I wasn't around to put a stop to it.








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 03-31-2006, 12:52 Post: 126957
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lbrown,
A very important point I do not see is where is the guy wire? If it is in the county, state or who ever's right of way or if the company has sign autorization by property owner, I think any replacement of anything caused by your catching it while mowing would be YOURS. The signed autorization could have been given by a prior owner and it would still be valid.

We had a major pole and guy wire that was an issed on location and the electric company told us to move our drive. To which I told them, sorry, you set your guy wire right in the middle of the only legal access to the property. They had no choice but to relocate the guy wire. The pole was of less concern and we allowed it to use a couple of feet of the limited legal access.






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 03-31-2006, 13:01 Post: 126959
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LBrown, my reply below relates in numbers to your point numbers;

1) Whether or not you are their customers has no bearing at all.

2) I can only assume the laws are similar there as here. If you did that here, and for instance the pole leaned or fell, and caused an accident, or the line was broken, you would be entirely responsible for such, legally and financially. One of my competitors accidentally damaged a telephone wire along a street, it cost him nearly $40,000.

3) Best place was their decision, not yours. Again, see the above.

4) Like I said in the first place, "IF", pull out your cheque book, only way I know of.

5) I guess you have two options then, write a cheque, or find a new path.

Sorry to be a pessimist in all this, but our family farm has been doing utility line work with our horses for a lot of years. In the 20+ I've been doing it personally, I've only ever seen it moved for free at the request of a private citizen. I assume the fact that the 'private citizen' being recently retired after 42 years wiuth the Telephone Compnay had a lot to do with it.

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 03-31-2006, 14:06 Post: 126967
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1*A very important point I do not see is where is the guy wire?
2*if the company has signed authorization by the property owner,
3*I think any replacement of anything caused by your catching it while mowing would be YOURS.
4*The signed authorization could have been given by a prior owner and it would still be valid.
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1*The guy wire is attached to a screw in anchor on my property. The pole is right close to being on the property line. It may be on my property then again it might be on my neighbors property which could present an interesting situation.
If the pole is actually on my neighbors property does the company have the right to attach the guy wire to an anchor on my property?
2*I bought this land from my parents 40 years ago.
To find out who if any body gave them a right away one might have to go back 75 or 100 years ago.
3* That may not be 100% true now that I've notified them of the safety hazard. If they do nothing to rectify the situation they could possibility be held negligent if something like that happened.
4*To find out who if any body gave them a right away one might have to go back in time 75 or 100 years .






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 03-31-2006, 14:29 Post: 126970
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LBrown, again, I use your numbers for ease of reference;

1) Rest assured, no company would place any plant (hardware, equipment, etc.) anywhere, without first having the legal right to do so. Interefering with it would then be a real problem.

2) Yes, that is correct.

3) Actually it's the other way around. Once you've 'notified' them, they have proof you were aware of it too. The onus is on you, the vehicle operator to be aware of potential hazards like that, and to stay away from them. Same principle as "call before you dig", you are driving, you know the cable is there, YOU have to avoid it.

4) Again, yes that is correct.

In some areas, especially in subdivisions, there is one easement or right-of-way given to all utilities at once, before any lots are sold.

The other hook a lot of utilities use is old "Terms of Service Agreement" (TOSA), it may be that that pole line USED to belong to say, the Telephone or Electric company, and when they buried their wires, they sold their easement to the Cable company, a very common situation. If you disturb their wires, you are violating their TOSA, at which point some nice person comes out cuts off your telephone or electric service because you messed with a cable wire.

This is commonly used to combat signal piracy here, steal cable TV, and you will lose your cable, your telephone & electricity.

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lbrown,

I think it would lay on the company to prove the guy wire is in a right of way or they have authority for it to be there.

Do some homework, find out if it is in any government right of way and ask your neighbor if on their land if they approved or not for their side.

If not, then you may need to seek a friendly lawyer. You may find the state agency that regulates utilities would have some influence over them on this and it not cost you an attorney fee.

I am not an attorney but my thoughts is, even if the guy wire is not proper where they have it placed, you could be held liable for any injury or damage you might cause if you knew where it was and hit it. Speaking from my industry's point of view.






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 03-31-2006, 14:36 Post: 126972
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Just a suggestion, get a lawyer now before you preform any of the above actions. You will need one. They have lawyers on the payrole and do this all the time. They know what the outcome will be.

I would also suggest that you drive to their office and personelly face to face talk to the man in charge get his bottom line. If he understands your problem he maybe able to help. This has worked for me several times but at least you will know where you stand. Ripping down the pole or the guide wire and you will be the one that is negligent. Once you have made them mad it will be tough to negotiate.

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1*Since I'm not their customer they can't see any reason why I would need to have them come out here so yes it does have a bearing.
3*Apparently it's wasn't the best way or I wouldn't need it changed now? I think they took the easy way not the proper way.
Also time changes things: What was appropriate years ago may be inappropriate today.
4*Why should I pay for them correcting an improper installation?
BTW the way I'm not asking them to replace the pole or re route the cable or anything like that.
Jus get with me and see if a simple change on the guy wire can solve the problem. What's so complicated about that?

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