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 12-09-2003, 07:57 Post: 70623
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Hi Guys! Hubby is sitting here with me and can give you all some more detail as to our dilemma with the (what we think?) might be a stuck clutch. Here is the scenario - it won't start unless its in neutral. The in super low gear he is able to engage the transmission in either forward or reverse and he can drive around the driveway in superlow gear. While holding the clutch in - he hits the brakes and drags the blade attachment but its not enough resistance to cause the clutch to come loose.

He can take the starter off and access a view of the flywheel and he is using a large syringe with some rust removal liquid and a flexible hose to try to get some liquid between the clutchplate and the flywheel. Turing the flywheel with a screwdriver he can access approximately 8 locations that will allow the lubrication and he is about ready to reinstall the starter and drive around the driveway again!

Thanks for your help guys - stay tuned.

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 12-09-2003, 08:17 Post: 70626
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As I said, I was not there to see and I was surprized when the guy emailed me back and told me what he did. The clutch on my old L245 was stuck as well. I bought it that way. I just adjusted to it. I found that if I start the tractor with it in gear, and never placed the trans in neutral while releasing the clutch to the out position; I could shift between gears without much problem. If I let the clutch out while in neutral; it would grind horribly. Rather than grind the gears, I would just shut the tractor down, put it back in gear and restart it. The above is what I told the guy and he came up with the idea of placing the tractor against a wall so just the tires were pushing against it and said he broke the clutch loose. The owner's manual for my old Kubota warned to use a 1" block of wood to place under the clutch pedal to prevent this from happening.






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 12-09-2003, 08:50 Post: 70631
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 stuck clutch on Agco Allis tractor

A lot of newer units have a little hook behind the clutch pedal. You push the clutch pedal all the way down then flip the hook down and it holds the pedal down for you.

I'm a little confused about the description here though. If the clutch is siezed in the engaged position, how is it that it will disengage enough to put it in one gear but not another?

Unless what is really happening is the clutch is so far out of adjustment that it spins free in anything but first or reverse.

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 12-09-2003, 09:07 Post: 70634
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I'll second that Murf! I am starting my second cup of coffee and I am still scratch my head trying to picture the mechanical dynamics of how this works. Wink yeah right






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 12-09-2003, 18:58 Post: 70677
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 stuck clutch on Agco Allis tractor

I'm playing catch-up here. I'm not sure if the problem is that the tractor only has power in low gears (a seriously slipping clutch could do that) or if it can't be shifted into higher gears. If it can't be shifted I'm wondering if that's with the engine running, off or both; and in or out of 4wd? I think most TX's would shift when the engine was off in 2wd even with a frozen clutch. this sort of detail might help the diagnosis if it wasn't included in e-mails.

For cheap fixes of frozen clutches, I have heard of tractors that have removable clutch-housing splash-pans freed up with big screwdrivers or long cold chisels. If there's access to the clutch a little WD-40 probably wouldn't hurt either. If it's slipping there may be crud or corrosion behind the throw-out bearing.

I've also heard of them freed by chaining the axle to something immovable and taking up some slack with an 'educated jerk' (there are some risks to tractor and operator doing this sort of stuff). Both cheap solutions are done with the clutch pedal blocked but you should be sure that operation of the pedal actually releases the pressure plate. Another variation is 'jerk-towing ' by a truck. That one sounds like something I wouldn't try.






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Can you push the clutch pedal in and will it release? Do you feel spring pressure when pushing the clutch pedal and can you feel the throw out bearing contact the pressure plate fingers? It could be the input shaft is frozen in the pilot bearing in the flywheel.






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A tranny with creeper gears will engage without the clutch.






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The hydralic clutch reservoir had drained out so my husband had to refill the reservoir. So now it pumps up as far as the clutch pedal is concerned, but the clutch does not seem to disengage from the flyweel face. If there is a bearing that releases in there, he doesn't feel any tension when the clutch is disengaged.






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At idle speed on the low side range, he can get it to go into gear without much trouble. If he desires to get it into gear on the high side, he has to have it moving before jamming it in gear or it will kill the engine. But once in gear, it will run just fine. Plenty of power but even with the clutch engaged, under a load, it will not break loose.






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 stuck clutch on Agco Allis tractor

Nancy What model tractor? It sounds like one of the slave cylinders is bad and either needs rebuilding or replacing. So if you do one you should do both. Be ready for an expensive repair.

I am quite suprised that a tractor would have a system like that for the clutch. Those arangements are quite expensive on trucks and cars.






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