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 01-25-2010, 18:59 Post: 168230
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Has anyone out there mounted a 7308 loader on their Shibaura D28F? I just purchased one and the front mount fits but I need to move the back mount forward about three inches. This puts the load point in line with my bell housing to engine connection. Will this be a problem? Has anyone had any problems with breakage? I know the limits of the tractor and that it is not a D-8. I will use it for loading manure and moving dirt and gravel piles.

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 01-25-2010, 22:31 Post: 168236
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Do some searching here for cracked or broken bell or clutch housing. Very expensive to fix. Dozing isn't the issue; it's lifting.






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 01-25-2010, 23:05 Post: 168237
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Or do a sub-frame.






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 01-25-2010, 23:11 Post: 168238
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I saw the comments showing the 1920 with the broken engine block. My first thought was to high of a relief setting with too much counter weight from the snow blower.

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 01-26-2010, 10:45 Post: 168240
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Most of the cracked transmission housings I've seen appear to be caused by repetitive stresses, it was just a single overload that caused the final catastrophic failure.

It also seems that of the units that fail, almost all of them are units that were existing Asia designs imported to North America as a "Compact Utility Tractor". Loader use on a 'farm tractor' in Asian is rare, mostly because their big problem is mucky soil, added weight to the front end is not a good thing.

Having said that, the stresses are not a result of a high pressure relief setting per se, nor is it the liftiung itself.

The problem is traveling with the weight in the bucket. Doing so transfers incredible stresses onto the tractors 'frame', stresses it wasn't designed to take. Every time you hit a bump with a load in the bucket and a counter balance on the 3pth the forces are trying to bend the tractor in the middle. Problem is tractors don't bend, they just break.

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 01-26-2010, 10:53 Post: 168241
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I think what you are saying makes sense. I have been looking at the mounting points that are available and considering a sub-frame assembly not just the mid mount like most are set up with.






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 01-26-2010, 15:31 Post: 168245
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Murf my bad. What I meant was in the context of his question; by lifting i.e. vertical as opposed to dozing lateral shock. I have never seen a sub frame for a FEL, esp for a NH.






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 01-26-2010, 17:01 Post: 168246
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There is a tractor dealer in Tennessee that has a few Shibauras on Craig's list and he has had the good sense to tie the loader to the frame in three places. If you check out his pics you can see the loader sub frame running back to the rear axle. I spoke with him this morning and what they have done is spread the load from the center point out the entire rear tractor frame. This is what I was looking for to relieve some of the load at the bellhousing mount.

We will see how it works.

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 01-26-2010, 18:26 Post: 168247
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Ohhhh maaaan! I shudder when I hear of those other than trained professionals reverse-engineering something for sale as tested, tried and true (not to mention insured if it breaks apart and/or you are injured).

I'll be the first to admit I'm a fabricator/tinkerer when it comes new ideas, inventions etc. for my own use---BUT that's where it stops. With regard to your situation or rather the Tenn dealer, if that machine was never intended to carry the weight of the loader never mind USE it, you're asking---nay---begging for trouble. Why? Front axle components---all of them from pivots, to the material of the axle, bearings, the steering system as whole, even the wheels, hubs and tires may be marginally designed at best.

Ever hear the saying: a chain is only as strong as its weakest link?






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 01-26-2010, 19:28 Post: 168248
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I am assuming by your response that you are an expert? Putting to much of a load on anything is not good but you are awfully quick to condemn someone or something you have not seen. What was done makes a lot of sense. I can tell by many posts on this site that one of the weak points is the engine to transmission connection which was not designed to bear the full weight of the loader. By spreading the load you have lessened the risk of failure at that point. One also has to assume that they are working within the limits of the hydraulic system and have not boosted the pressure then you will get what you deserve. As to the front ends you will always get what you pay for so I guess the customer may have bear a little responsibility, unless you are an attorney then you can always blame someone for a lack of good judgment.






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