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 08-19-1999, 00:00 Post: 7088
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 Long 2610 broke in two

I have a LONG 2610 with a LONG loader. It broke in two while cleaning a feence row . the tractor was in low 1st running 1800 rpm. LONG called this customer abbuse, is any one else out there had this problem.






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 08-19-1999, 00:00 Post: 7096
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Ed: You said you were "cleaning a fence row". If you were loading the bucket full of rocks by hand, with the bucket up off the ground, it is entirely possible that you DRASTICALLY overloaded the machine. If this was the case, then yes it is abuse. A loader tractor will never lift enough to exceed the safety limit of the design. However, if the load is placed in the bucket with the loader in the air you might not realize how much weight is there till something like that occurs. I have seen it happen many times in the past. It is easier to do than you think, especially with a compact tractor. Count your blessings, you're still here to tell us what happened........






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 08-19-1999, 00:00 Post: 7101
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Ted, Are you familiar with Long products? Are you in the tractor business? I'm trying to find out if this happens in other brand tractors and how often. I was pushing cutover tree tops to clear a fence row and pushed up against a stump (didn't even dent or scratch the stump) I was in Low 1st running 1800 rpm. I was carrying a 6' bush hog with the trail wheel on the ground so I could mow the grass as I pushed the tree tops out of the way. Are you in the tractor business. complete story, Ed W. Granger






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 08-20-1999, 00:00 Post: 7113
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Hello Ed, sorry to hear that your tractor is broken. To establish my credentials up front, I don't have a Long tractor, am notfamiliar with them except generically, and am not a dealer. What I am is a hobbyist and owner of a few different tractors. I think that most people would agree that I am qualified to talk about stresses and loader designs. BTW, take all the information you get with the grain of salt. For all you know, I'm a 12 year old with an attitude. Smile From your description of the problem several things are not clear to me. For one, I don't know if you even had a loader onthis tractor. You don't say so. What are cutover tree tops? Why would you push them to clear a fence row? What do you pushing them with? A loader bucket? The front of the tractor? A blade? I live out West and these are not common terms in myarea. In fact, I've never heard of them. Tractors sometimes do break in half. Did yours just crack? or break and fall to the ground? The cause is usually thought tobe mounting a loader that has an incomplete (half) subframe or none at all. A complete subframe goes from the front of the tractorall the way to the rear axle. The loader arms are mounted to this subframe; not to the tractor. I have never seen a tractor with acomplete loader subframe break in half. But I have seen tractors of several makes with a half subframe break - as well as onesthat have used a three-point mounted backhoe without the lift-arm stabilizer. Most of these were overloaded. Like most mechanica-type guys, I have wondered about the quality of castings from third-world manufacturers. If you suspecta flawed casting, you might consider taking the pieces to a metallurgical testing lab. Most cities of 100K with an industrialmanufacturing area will have one.






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 08-20-1999, 00:00 Post: 7115
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Well it has happened. I have posted on this subject before advising owners that farm tractors with loaders are not bulldozers. I am a tractor dealer and prior to that I was an engineer for twelve years. I have seen other tractors break in half before. It can happen, to any brand. You loaded you tractor the worst way possible. You had a large load on the front of the tractor (loader) and a large load on the rear of the tractor (bush hog) The tractor was trying to flex in the middle due to the large overhanging loads on each end of the tractor. As you discovered cast iron doesn't flex, it breaks (fractures in engineering terms). Most industrial and purpose built loader tractors, true backhoes, all have an external steel frame around the castings. There is a reason for this, but this beefing up cost money. I tend to agree the tractor was used beyond its design capacity.






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 08-20-1999, 00:00 Post: 7120
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 Long 2610 broke in two

Well one problem I see already is a lot of assumptions being made about how you were using your tractor before you even gave any details. I deal in grey market tractors and have only seen Long tractors. No they aren't the greatest tractors in the world but they appear solid enough. If what you said is true that the pressure you exerted on the stump was not enough to dent or scratch the stump I doubt that did it by itself. It could have been a weak casting? How old is the tractor? What kind of loader was it? Pushing tree tops surely would be enough to break the tractor, I have pushed a lot more with a lot less!Brent






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 08-20-1999, 00:00 Post: 7126
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1995 modle, LONG tractor, and loader






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 08-20-1999, 00:00 Post: 7128
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1) yes i had a front loader with a bucket on it.2) cutover is land that has been logged, the limbs and tree tops are left after cuting the timber.The fence row is were I am going to build a fence along side of my road and its in the edge of this cutover. Some of the tree tops and limbs had falled in the way and had to be pushed back. This is dry wood and is not real large.3)Broke in two peices, not cracked, it's a half frame mount.






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 08-20-1999, 00:00 Post: 7129
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No were in the operator manual says I shouldn't use an implement on the rear at the time I am using the loader this 6'hog is no different than doing dirtwork with a good hydrolic box blade. Considering its floating with the trail wheel on the ground.ed / TX






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 08-20-1999, 00:00 Post: 7135
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Then the first place I would talk to would be the loader manufacturer. They need this information and might be willing to repair the tractor in return for some forensics. That will depend on their interest in the matter. I don't see that they areunder any obligation, since anyone who buys a half-frame aftermarket loader presumably knows what they are getting. If the loader manufacturer IS the tractor manufacturer - then I would ask themto repair the entire unit at no charge. This would be pretty much open and shut bad design. All is just my own personal opinion based on what you have said....a good attitude will get more repairs than a good argument, I think. Roger






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