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 03-20-2004, 20:08 Post: 80519
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Another post from a new-to-tractors type; I have alot of pine tree slash from the bark beetle infestation and tree cutting. Does it make sense to buy a 'landscape rake' for cleanup (and future stuff), and weld two bushings to the loader arms,along with a hydrolic cylinder and mounts. In this way I would "easily" attach the rake to the loader and have an articulated rake-grapple device. Probably not strong enough for picking up heavy stuff (although with the many rake tines, it might do OK on logs), but seems like this would be handy for picking up piles of light weight slash, etc.






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 03-20-2004, 23:25 Post: 80534
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I see you have a BX23 and by the time you built something it would be to heavy for the tractor. You couldn't pick anything up. A rake is good for clean up. But pulling large logs isn't. The tines will just spring back.

Now what i plan on doing here shortly is built a set of brush forks for mine b7500. I plan on getting some 3/4" cold rolled solid steel (after the price of steel drops when the EPA allows a steel mill that rebuilt itself after burning down to reopen). Weld them about 4 or 6 inches apart onto two pieces of 3/8" by 2" flat bar. One which would be bolted towards the front of the bucket and the other toward the back. Each of the 3/4" tines would be 3 ft long. Half in the bucket and half out. So i would had 18" long tines with plenty of leverage. It would look like a graint rake. I would be able to slide right into mulch and brush piles with it. The just unbolt them when i am done with four bolts. It would only add 50 pounds to the weight.






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 03-21-2004, 06:57 Post: 80552
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I wonder if the idea is to move the slash to nearby piles or further away? I think you might have trouble dragging slash through bush any distance with a rake and might want to load it onto a utility trailer.

Green's idea sounds pretty good for dragging it around and there may be similar commercial products. Loading slash onto a trailer would take a different style of forks. Either way, trying to attach a 3ph rake to the loader doesn't sound like it'd work.






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 03-22-2004, 13:30 Post: 80751
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My design is like a manure bucket. Its for going into the pile with a brush of little points instead of one big one (cutting edge of bucket). So you would be able to slide into the pile, lift, back up, lower and drive away. Then lift and dump. The brush will slide right off. When i get it built i post some pictures or i get around to making the CAD drawing.






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 03-22-2004, 15:09 Post: 80760
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Green, I'm not sure how much brush you will pick up with forks that are only 18" long, especially if you do not have a grapple on top to trap the material.

Paul, the tines of a landscape rake are too close together to function as a grapple very well, you would need to pull out at least every other tine to leave enough space for the teeth to bite in to the load.

As for dealing with brush generally, something I have to deal with for business constantly, dragging it around is not very efficient. The best thing is to get it as compact as possible, as close to the source as possible. If you have to drag it more than from about 100' it's a waste of time. Generally speaking, taking a chipper to the brush is easier than the other way around. A small PTO chipper shooting the chips straight into a wagon with sides would be a nice clean way to deal with it. "Letting the chips fall where they may" is a great way to suppres weeds while building up topsoil in the long run.

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 03-23-2004, 06:23 Post: 80801
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Sounds like I didn't exactly get my head around Green's design and it still sounds interesting.

Slash is pretty unwieldy stuff and a grapple would be good for keeping it on forks if it has to be raised. I think It also takes a sizable job if it's in the middle of bush before a tractor becomes faster than a few people with gloves and pitch forks.

Around here the dumps are close and there's no tippage. We just cart slash to the dump and the Township burns it over winter. A loading trick for trailers and truck beds with slash is to put long straight stuff in first and trim a few branches if necessary. That way the whole load comes off just by pulling on the bottom pieces.






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 03-23-2004, 06:59 Post: 80807
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At one time I owned a JD model 725 loader on a 7810 JD farm tractor. I bought a brush grapple from Deere that was meant to fit a 500 series loader, It wasn't much of a problem to adapt it to the 725 and it did work really well for brush, old fence wire, etc. The only problem was it's hard to keep the grapple from pinching something too tight so I replaced quite a few teeth in the grapple. The frame it's self was plenty strong it never sprung or broke. After we got all the old fencerows cleaned up I traded the loader and grapple in on something at the Deere dealer. I guess for brush cleanup only I'd lean toward a chipper and just blow the chips out on the field then let nature take over. Frank.






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 03-23-2004, 08:59 Post: 80819
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It is a fairly simple straight-forward thing to add a pressure-relief valve to a grapple so that it cannot close harder than needed.

Best of luck.






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 03-23-2004, 09:28 Post: 80825
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Or get something like this. 1" tines you won't be breaking any time soon.






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 03-23-2004, 12:03 Post: 80836
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If I remember correctly the tines were either inch and a quarter or inch and three eights by about 16 in. long, and your're right a pressure relief valve would have solved the problem. I did fail to mention that is was grappling rocks nearly as big as a wheelbarrow too. So that machine was tough, but the tines weren't quite as strong as the frame and maybe that was designed in to keep goofers like me from destroying it. Frank.






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