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 08-07-2009, 21:20 Post: 164751
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Forgive me for not touching base in a while. I have been working many hours. My daughter is getting married this year and my son joined the army. Anyway, my JD4310 was beginning to have intermittent problems. They are getting more severe and now it is in my back yard, I couldn't get it back to the garage.

It seems to run well, then after warming up it just quits. You can restart and it will quit again, then after a few attempts and a few stalls, it goes ahead and runs fine for the rest of the job. I would assume it is the fuel filter but after it quits, some times it continues to click until the key is turned off.

Any ideas, hints? I haven't done anything yet. Maybe it is dead permanently this time. I will try to start it again tomorrow.






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Hi crunch, it's been awhile and it's good to know you're still doing ok.

When it cuts out does it cut out quickly or does it stumble a bit before it dies? It may be as simple as an intermittent seat safety switch. When it cuts out have you looked at the fault indicator on the right fender to see if it's flashing a pattern?






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 08-08-2009, 08:17 Post: 164756
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Ken, when it cuts out it is instant. After sitting for a few hours last night I got it up back to the house. No, I haven't looked for any numbers. Thanks for reminding me. The next time this happens I will see if there is any information there.






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 08-08-2009, 13:29 Post: 164763
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A clean cut-off seems electrical and my guess would be a safety switch. Next time it happens I'd record any flash codes that appear and then try to clean the seat safety switch connections or jumper across the switch.






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 08-16-2009, 13:00 Post: 164972
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Ken, it happened again and I saw no flashing codes. This morning it started right up again, I took it in the shade and took the hood panels off. I suspect it is the fuel shutoff relay. It became hot after running the tractor just to move it across the driveway. I think it runs unil the relay heats to some tipping point and then it shuts the fuel off. After it shuts the fuel off it continues to click for a few seconds. When it cools off the tractor starts up again no problem. Am I way off base on this?






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Crunch, are you talking about the fuel shutoff solenoid under the hood, or the K3 or K6 relays in the fuse panel? K3 is the fuel shutoff pull-in relay and K6 is the fuel shutoff solenoid timer module.






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The fuel circuit is sort of complicated but it sounds like your hold-in relay may be cutting out.

Here's the high level view of how it works. The fuel shutoff solenoid has two coils in it, a "pull-in" coil and a "hold" coil. Both coils have to be energized to overcome the strong spring inside the solenoid to allow fuel to flow. When the key switch is on, power is supplied to the K3 pull-in relay, K4 engine run relay, and K6 timer relay. Once the plunger has been pulled in the hold coil should be able to keep it open by itself so the K6 timer relay shuts the pull-in coil off after three seconds and K4 should keep the hold coil energized until the key switch is turned off.

If the hold coil fails to hold the solenoid plunger then the engine will cut out. The hold coil will shut off if it loses power, or ground, or is bad.

Power can be lost if the K4 run relay is bad or losing contact, if the ignition switch is flaking out, and a few other circumstances like seat safety switch and pto switch position. If we assume you're sitting in the seat and not running the pto when the engine cuts out then the pto switch can be ignored.

Relays get hot when too much current is passing through them which can be caused by bad connections, worn high resistance contacts, or by the switched device drawing more power than the relay is rated for.

I'd start by unplugging the solenoid and cleaning the connections with contact cleaner, then pulling K3/K4/K6 relays and cleaning those connections too. And the seat safety switch. It wouldn't hurt to jumper that out of the circuit temporarily just to eliminate it.






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 08-16-2009, 20:05 Post: 164990
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Hello Ken - I was talking anout the solenoid under the hood. I pulled it off and the plunger did not pull in right away when I turned the key on, it took about 5 seconds and then acted erraticly. But seeing your explanation I'd better check the relays as you suggest before I order a new solenoid. Thanks for the suggestions!!






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Crunch, it could be the fuel filler cap not venting properly. Next time it shuts down, unscrew the filler cap and see if a vacuum is present. If so clean out the vent on the cap. I hope it's as simple as that.






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Thanks bloggins - I will check that also. I just priced out the parts - $175 for solenoid, $15 each for K3, K4 relays, $30 for K6 module. So I will check and clean contacts first and your suggestion on fuel cap vent.






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