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 03-18-2005, 17:39 Post: 108259
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I have a JD 4410 and took it to the dealer to have a top and tilt put on. When I went to pick it up, I was told that the top and tilt would not work while the loader was hooked up, that I couldn't use both at the same time unless I have a diverter. I paid $1100 for the top and tilt and was wondering if this was actually done right. I have a backhoe so I also have the power beyond.
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 03-18-2005, 18:34 Post: 108262
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Sounds like they just plugged in to your loader ports. For $1100 you should have gotten a rear valve.






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 03-18-2005, 18:58 Post: 108264
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You mean you have to remove the loader just to use the top and tilt??
Doesn't sound like its done right to me !!!!
That setup is a joke.






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 03-18-2005, 19:49 Post: 108267
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What you say sounds correct to me. I have been reinventing my 4300 hydraulics for a few weeks now. The dealer says the first 2 valves are for the loader, the 3rd is a single added to the loader valve, the spool is already there, you just add the controls and remotes at the back. If you want JD brand number 4 and 5, they have a diverter for the 2 loader valves and you can't use them at the same time? As soon as I heard this, I abandoned any idea of using the factory hookup. I was under the impression that nothing was disconnected, just an electronic diverter or something so you could switch back and forth, just not use them at the same moment. They told me it was $1100 just for valve 4 and 5. That didn't include the top and tilt, so you may have had them just remove the loader hoses and attach the top and tilt, which is certainly unacceptable. What I plan to do for top and tilt is add a 3 spool valve on the rops and use 2 of them for top and tilt and have a 3rd for spare. They will be powered by the power beyond. the JD 3rd is almost plumbed to the loader for front hydralulics.






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 03-18-2005, 19:57 Post: 108270
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Oh and Deere is just sooo great. Good grief






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 03-18-2005, 20:45 Post: 108275
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To do it right you need to get two additional SCVs and the electric diverter valve. A switch controls the divereter which switches the loader joystick between loader and TnT functions. I have this setup on my 4310 (same basic machine, different engine) and use TnT and the loader together all the time. But it costs more to do it right.






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 03-18-2005, 20:50 Post: 108276
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 top and tilt have to unhook to use loader

I have a JD 4310. I installed 2 kits for rear hydraulics. One was a power beyond for a backhoe and the other was a single valve for operating a single rear cylider. The single valve comes with an extra lever mounted next to the 3 point hitch lever. Each kit cost around $200. I haven't used the single valve yet but I assumed it was for an application such as yours.






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I've got about every hydraulic option there is on the 4310 - five SCVs, diverter valve, and Power Beyond. SCVs 1-3 are used for the loader and grapple jaw. SCVs 4-5 are TnT, and PB is, well, PB. The loader joystick controls both SCVs 1-2 (diverter in loader position) and SCVs 4-5 (diverter in TnT position). MIFarmin is right that the third SCV is controlled with a lever on the right console, and for my use that is what controls the grapple jaw.






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 03-18-2005, 21:37 Post: 108288
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your dealer wasnt HONEST,,if all else fails get a "one touch kit" I saw it at Corriher Tractor






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The price you paid sounds about right for just the TnT kit, but the extra valves and diverter will cost significantly more. Without knowing more about what all was negotiated and why it could just be a miscommunication or a clueless salesman.






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