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 10-25-2005, 17:13 Post: 118426
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Any thoughts as to a good setup for varmint? I need to mount a scope on either my 5mm, M1 Carbine or pick up a 22 magnum semi-automatic.

I stopped briefly today at Gander Mountain and the selections are mind boggling. Red dot, holograms or conventional. Not to mention night vision and infrared lights. Laser would be good but illegal for long gun.






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I didn't realize that lasers sites were illegal for long guns. You would think for pests and varmints with no season or bag limit, it would not be an issue. For something like a 22 rifle, pretty much any of the scopes you can find on sale at Wally World would fill the requirement. Redfield or Simmons seems to be a reasonably priced decent quality scope. Sometimes you can catch 22 semi-auto rifles complete with scope mounted on sale at Wally World or other large retailers. Depending upon how much you want to spend, the sky is the limit if you want Schmidt & Bender or Zeiss. What kinda varmints are you attending too?






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Another thought just popped into my head (sound dangerous?) ;O) Try looking on:






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Thanks, I will check the links. Overrun by coyote.






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 10-26-2005, 02:15 Post: 118462
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5mm carbine? im an avid gun collector/shooter. The only 5mm that comes to mind were the old 5mm rimfires. thats being the case, save the gun. It has fair colector value. Get yourself a reasonable priced 22 or 22 mag. Then look at Natchez shooters supply. Their web addy doesnt come to me, but any search will pull it up. The have great deals on several facorty refurbished scopes by nikon, burris, simmons etc.leupold. All with full factory warranty and virtually blemish free. Iv bought several with total satisfaction every time. Unless you seen the box it came in, youll never know the difference.The prices are great. Ive dealt with them for years with 100% satisfaction.






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 10-26-2005, 07:50 Post: 118470
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The gun selection depends upon where and when you are shooting. In Michigan there is no season on private property if the vermin is doing damage. On other property there is a season that requires a fur bearers license. If you hunt after dark, only rim fire cartridges are allowed. On private property anything goes! I believe lasers are allowed but not sure. I use 17HMR or .22 magnum rimfires. You can get a very inexpensive setup in single shot(New England Firearms) or bolt action (Marlin, Savage) going to better semi-autos or bolt actions are Ruger, etc. I feel the killing power of the rimfire on coyotes to limited in distance like around 100 yards which is difficult.

I use .223 and .22-250 for up to 300 and 400 yards respectively. Sometimes I use my .30-06 with 125 grain bullets. Inexpensive scopes like Bushnell's trophy edition work well for shorter distances (3x to 9X variable). I use a 4X tactical on my .223 AR-15 and a Leuopold vari-X III 6 1/2-20 variable on the .22-250. You can spend $150.00-$200.00 or $1,000-$1,500.00 or anything between. I use night vision binoculars sometimes and sometimes night vision scopes. Johnnie Steward CD's are the best on the market and any brand of CD player is OK. Stay away from portable tape players, they usually malfunction in the winter months from the coldweather.

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Experts typically recommend spending a bit of money on a scope and avoid bargain models. You can easily be fooled by poor optics because when you look through them in the store, they have almost the same light collecting ability as say a Leupold. The problem is the cheap lenses do not have the proper shape for consistent shooting. Everything's fine while shooting at a target because you have the time to find the proper eye relief and center. But in actual shooting conditions you bring the scope up to your eye quickly and may not have a good field of view. Then if you're not exactly centered on the lenses, your shot can be off even if the crosshairs are on the target. Good optics give more consistent shooting.

One of the best of the medium priced scopes is the Leupold VX-1 2-7 power (which is Leupold's least expensive). They are $179 at Gander Mtn (same as the best internet price) with no shipping . I have used a friend's quite a bit with good results and recently bought one for my own gun. I've also heard good things about Nikon.
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 10-26-2005, 18:24 Post: 118497
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The 5mm is a rim-fire cartridge in bolt action. I purchased boxes of Remington ammunition when I found out they were going to stop making it. I stopped at Gander Mountain yesterday and the guy at the counter stated the gun is only worth $100 (mine is in perfect condition, stored most of its life) but the ammunition is worth plenty. Not sure now what to do.

I found a scope on the internet called a holoscope (I think). It fives the illusion of a projected image (cross-hair) out in front of the weapon but does not actually throw light. I believe the laser is illegal at least in NY for rifles.

There is a season here, but I am on private property. I will contact the conservation department as they issue blanket permits for property owners. The season started the first of October.

Went out tonight and tried the $20 electronic call I bought. No luck although I heard them howling. It got dark quickly and without the moon I could not differentiate between the doe that were grazing or a yote if one happened by. Time to stop, unsafe. I need something to help with the darkness.






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 10-27-2005, 07:43 Post: 118513
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I have a projecting laser on Sig 229 pistol and another on a cheapy assault rifle. I feel they are only good for rough aiming at larger body masses. It is hard to get them zeroed in and keep them there. The other problem is you still have to see the object!

Full moon lite nights are really the only time to hunt during night hours unless you go with true night optics. Night optics are expensive. The earlier Generation I is kinda crude compared to Generations III & IV. A Generation I night vision scope can run about $600.00+ Generation II scopes are about $1,500.00+ and generation III are about $3,500.00.

Consider looking at atncorp.com You can live with the Aries Generation I scope. I would get a model with either 3X or 4X power. That is about $600.00 to $800.00 and gets you out to about 150 yards in full darkness. The objects are a real grainy green but you can see them. You need to be careful in handling these types of scopes.

You can mount this to a New England Firearms (NEF) single shot .223 that already has a mounting rail for about $150.00 or a Marlin bolt action .22 magnum for about $225.00 or mount to your existing rifle. Another option for about $1,200.00 is mount it to an AR-15 with 40 round magazine in .223 caliber.

You may be able to tell that I like guns. I'd vote for you to keep the 5mm for show and purchase something new or slightly used. Plastic stocks and stainless barrels are good cause you'll be going out in damp cool weather and coming back in, brings lots of condensation.

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