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 08-07-2007, 08:11 Post: 144406
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We have about an acre pond with trees on all sides but the north. It is about 4 times as long north - south as the east - west direction. Across the south end is truly swamp with water standing there almost always.

Over the years trees were allowed to grow on the east and west water edge with the thought it would keep water cool for the fish. Limbs and such falling into the pond has really been a pain. If you move about 30 feet to any side of the pond there is woods that provide low angle sun light blocking. The pond does get a lot of mid morning to mid afternoon direct sun.

I have looked and fine on the web support for those trees at one web site on ponds but at most fine no mention of trees. I am considering removing all trees right along the water edge to reduce material in the pond and to aid in keeping the edge clean where you fell safe to fish it.

This is in the hot and sunny coast of South Carolina. Any thoughts on the trees. Thanks, kt






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 08-07-2007, 09:09 Post: 144407
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Kenneth, first off, there is much debate over using trees to shade a pond.

One side claims the shade helps lower water temperature, the other side (rightly IMHO) points out that the solar gain is nothing compared to the cooling effect of exposing so much water to the earth a few feet down.

I know I've measured (with a pool thermometer) the temperature of the water at both the surface and bottom of many ponds. The spread between top & bottom is often dramatic, in my own small pond (1/2 acre, 8' deep at the deepest point, mostly 5' deep) and this time of year the surface is 78 and the bottom is about 58.

In nature fish naturally just change the point at which they find the water temperature comfortable, but that doesn't stop them moving into warmer or cooler areas to feed and such.

In short, I find the trees add so much organic material to the pond that it's not worth having them there.

Also, it's the plant material that turns the water turbid (muddy looking) and the added nutrient loading causes excessive plant growth along the banks.

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 08-07-2007, 10:38 Post: 144415
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Kenny: In English please! "I have looked and fine on..." "...most fine no..."

You still can't "fine" the spell check key? And I'm the one who drives in circles? Aaaahem.






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 08-07-2007, 11:21 Post: 144421
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Jeff ole boy read that ole boy, one day if the Lord lets you live long enough you will be OLD BOY and your eyes will have problems with small fonts too my fiend (R missing on purpose my friend). Then this Southern Gentleman will try not to laugh at the now Broken Down OLD Northerner.

That along with I am doing what I can to bring you some form of pleasure into your other wise dull life. Smile Smile
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 08-07-2007, 11:34 Post: 144423
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KThompson,

I lived on a small farm in Georgia for three years, while in the Army. (Fort Gordon....Harlem Georgia)

We had a pond behind the place about the same size as yours. It was stocked with catfish and bluegill. I spent many evenings out there when it it was too hot in the house.

There were no trees surrounding the pond. My landlord found it necessary to feed his fish daily, simply because any bait-fish he placed in the pond would quickly disappear. The bait-fish had no place to hide, nor to spawn.

Old man Fletcher placed evergreens in one end of the pond, after I suggested that he provide a place for the bait-fish to gather, spawn, and protect themselves from the bigger fish. By the second year, we had plenty of food for the bluegills and the catfish.

Here in North Dakota, the wildlife groups take up a Christmas tree drive every January. They ask that everyone place their Christmas trees along the curb, for free pickup. These wildlife groups then attach concrete blocks to the stumps of these trees, and then place them in the water, through the ice, so that bait-fish in our lakes will have a safe place to reproduce. It's worked wonders on many smaller lakes here in North Dakota.

You might be able to remove most of the trees along the shore of your pond. However, I would strongly consider dropping at least a few of those trees in the water, on one end of the pond, to serve as a shelter and feeding area for your fish. You might be surprised at how effective this can be.

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 08-07-2007, 13:09 Post: 144429
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Candoarms,
It would seem a tree like those normally used for Christmas tree would be best for this compared to a single limb or tree trunk to provide the shelter in the water. Is that correct? kt






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 08-07-2007, 13:38 Post: 144432
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KThompson,

We use Christmas tress, simply because it's the only source of trees we have available to us. We don't waste any trees....because we don't have any.

Any tree will work. Large branches, stumps, and limbs are actually better, simply because they'll last so much longer before they rot and fall apart.

The rotting trees will attract water beetles and other insects, which will attract and feed the bait-fish. In the meantime, your fish will gather around the trees to spawn, feed, and to escape the heat.

Fishermen love to fish around fallen timber, as it makes for a community gathering point for nearly all types of fish....mainly because of the large amount of food available there.

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 08-07-2007, 13:56 Post: 144434
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KThompson,

I have an idea which might help you decide how to handle this.

First off....what type of fish do you keep in your pond? Crappie, bluegill, catfish?

How often do you restock it, if ever?

Is it necessary to feed your fish, or is there enough food in the pond to keep them healthy and growing?

Are your fish small in size, and never seem to grow very big?

With the answers to these questions in hand, your local fish and wildlife manager would be able to provide you the best advice for managing fish ponds in your area......free of charge. He may also suggest that you stock a different species of fish. He may also be able to provide you with the fish, at little or no cost.

Give your local game and fish department managers a call. They'll be happy to hear from you, and they'll offer all kinds of advice.

Just make sure you don't get yourself wrapped up in a government program that will tie your hands behind your back well into the future. And yes....there are many such programs available.

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KT,

I cut down several trees tied nylon line to the trunks and placed them in the pond with the trunks on shore. The nylon line was so I could remove them if I wanted to. This gives the small fish a safe haven. Any standing trees around ponds will keep adding leaves, limbs and such that they will fill it in after a time. Pine trees are the worse. Sun light helps from what I could find out. I agree with Murf the a pond with any depth will cool itsself by ground surface. Mine is several degrees cooler a few feet down.






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What did you ever do on the bridge? How old is your pond? kt






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