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 01-23-2008, 17:14 Post: 150628
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I am having trouble with fuel gelling in fuel lines, even after two hours of running. Have already used generous amount of power service. QUESTION::
Is it really safe to add kerosene to the tank, like so many people are suggesting?

The tractor is 30 years old, and i have only owned it two weeks! I don't want to blow it up....
temps are in the MINUS 30's right now. Brrrrr.






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 01-23-2008, 18:24 Post: 150630
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Buzz; Yes kerosene is added to diesel when needed even some more daring than me add some gasoline and seem to get by with it. Only do it when really needed as kero and especially gasoline have little if any lubrication properties for your injection pump. At minus 30 not much works real good but enough kerosene, not more than 50% will get you going. The hardest part is getting the gelled stuff out of the system first. Good luck. Frank.






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 01-23-2008, 18:27 Post: 150631
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 Adding Kerosene to Diesel to stop Gelling

You should be able to blend your fuel up to 50/50, this was and still is a very common practice.. If you were going to really work the tractor hard at full RPM I'd only suggest 25% kero.

Even our large Cat loaders are cut 50/50 early season to get the mixes down. As winter progresses we move to 30% kero. March we move back to straight fuel. Some of equipment will enter full summer with cut fuel and no problems. We just do not work them hard a full throttle.






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 01-23-2008, 18:56 Post: 150632
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buzzlight,

Kerosene burns quite hot. It also produces less power.

I am currently using #1 Diesel, along with an anti-gel additive. #1 diesel is a mix of diesel and kerosene.

Once your fuel system has gelled up, the kerosene won't cure the problem. Kerosene will prevent gelling, but it won't correct it. You'll have to warm up the tractor using a heater of some sort (Knipco for example), and then either replace your fuel filter, or bring it inside and let it warm up.

Once your fuel system is back in order, you can then add kerosene to prevent the problem from reoccurring.

Once your tractor is running, please allow at least 15 minutes for it to warm up properly before attempting to use the hydraulics.

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 01-23-2008, 19:08 Post: 150633
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 Adding Kerosene to Diesel to stop Gelling


The newer diesel fuel has been tough to keep from gelling with many of our normal standby products that have long been very effective. Here in the northeast we have seen far more freeze ups this year then before and we have yet to find a solution but we are still playing with options. You didn't say what make tractor it is but many of the older tractors had the tank close to the engine and it might help to add some type of shields to use the engine heat.






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 01-23-2008, 21:24 Post: 150637
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Art White,

The newer (federal mandated) diesel fuels are low in sulfur. These fuels have higher cetane ratings. Higher cetane ratings are good, except when it comes to cold weather. The higher the cetane rating, the higher the gel point. This means that the fuel will begin to cloud (gel) at temperatures well above the old, high sulfur, diesel fuels.

I hate federal standards on anything. Those idiots in Washington D.C. don't have a clue what's it like living in a place where it gets down to -40....or lower. Those clowns in D.C. make life hell for people like me.

At some point, I'm hoping our State governments will finally get tired of this federal micro-management of everything under the sun.

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If the fuel is not responding to a healthy dose of PS you may have enough moisture in the system that have ice forming.

If so it doesn't matter how much kerosene you pour in, it won't break up the ice or water.

Try to find some Power Service 9-1-1 additive, it will open frozen filters and lines, it's the only stuff I've ever found that will do that.

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Murf; I just was at the local convenience store, a trucker came in and grabed two bottles of 911. Twenty four below here right now, I'm not even going to try nto start anything diesel today. Frank.






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thanks guys. Just need to find the 911. Anyone know where to get diesel 911 in canada? ( manitoba)
I took the filters off and in to the house today.
added kerosene and PS antigel, hopefully with the warm weather tomorrow, she will start. ( -12 cel.)
Anyone ever put a battery blanket or such heater over the injector pump and lines to the filter? How about insulating the filters?






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Buzzlight,

I've never tried putting heaters on my fuel lines, or in my fuel tanks......but they do make such things.

State highway trucks have heated fuel tanks and lines. It's not cheap to do. (they also use heaters on the air compressor drain lines.) However, you might get by with a magnetic heater stuck to the side of your fuel tank. They're designed for use on an oil pan, but they will work on diesel fuel tanks just as well.

Battery blankets are just too cumbersome to be used on the fuel lines, but heat tape might work. (The type used to keep water lines from freezing)

The real problem comes after you unplug these devices. If you plan to operate your machinery outdoors in these cold temps, it's best to have 12 volt DC heaters installed....but then you might find that you'll also need a larger alternator, and possibly a bigger battery. Small tractors just have the room inside the compartments for all of these additional equipment items.

I still like the Knipco heater the best. It warms up the entire tractor.....wheel bearings, transmission, differentials, hydraulic fluid, etc. But, again, it doesn't do me any good once I back out of the barn.

We live pretty close to each other. You're 200 miles northeast of here. It's been a fairly nice winter so far. Nothing in the -40 range YET! hehehe.

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