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candoarms
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2010-11-16          175169


Hello friends......

I have a large garden out front, about 1/4 acre in size. I'd like to be able to tackle the vines...cucumbers, pumpkins, watermellons......in the Fall, after the harvest. I have a nice tiller, but the vines tend to wrap up in it, making for a lot of hard work.

I've considered purchasing a small disc to pull behind the tractor after each harvest. I'm wondering if it will do the job on the vines?

If anyone here has ever used a disc harrow behind the tractor for the purpose of tackling the remaining vines in the garden, I'd sure appreciate any help or suggestions.

I've got a Kubota B2100 4x4 with about 14 horses at the drawbar. Do I have enough power to pull a 5 foot disc? I'm looking at the Land Pride 1060 or even the 1560. Maybe that's a bit too big for my tractor?

Thanks for the input.

Joel

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hardwood
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2010-11-16          175170


Joel;
I have a very similar situation with a pumpkin and squash about the same size. I've never used one of those little discs, but they never looked heavy enough to cut much trash.
How I handle it is going over the patch several times with my rear mount finish mower going a bit lower each time. I don't know how fast I go but pretty slow to give the mower time to chew things up. I just till it after that and never have any problem, the trash pieces are small enough to just mix in.
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Woodie
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2010-11-16          175174


I've got a similar question. Like can my TC33 pull a 5ft wide 'double' disc ( 1 set of "V'd"axles followed by a second set of reversed "V'd" axles). The unit i'm eying is built like a tank. looks to be 8 inch channel for frame. Everything looks bolted or welded and it appears the angle of the disc axle is fixed no adjustment. From what i can tell there was a manufacture plate/tag but like most implents worn/rust off. It also has alternating notched and smooth discs. I've tried scearching for some 'rule of thumb sheet' that would give an idea of what Hp is needed for 'x' size implement. Appreciate any advice. Thanks ....

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2010-11-17          175175


Frank,

Thank you for the reply.

I tried mowing the garden and it did a fine job of most everything out there, with the exception of those long, stringy vines resting directly on the ground.

I finally took the machette to them, but it's hard to tell where I chopped things up and where I might have missed a few. I found the ones I missed all wrapped up in the tiller. My wife thought it was funny, but she didn't volunteer to help untangle the mess.

I've found a few other possible uses for a tandem disc harrow. A few of my customers hire me to keep the weeds down between their tree rows (Young trees.) Up until now I've been using the tiller, but I find myself hitting a few tree roots once in a while. I don't want to cause any damage to any of their trees.

Here I think the disc harrow would help in several ways. First, I could cover a lot more ground in a lot less time. Secondly, the disc will simply roll right over a tree root without harming it.

Woodie,

Click on the following link and look at the horsepower chart at the bottom of the page. I think you'll find that your tractor will handle most any 6' disc just fine.

Unfortunately, there are no horsepower charts for tractors under 25 horses. Unless someone here has experience with one of those little disc harrows, I think I may just have to see if I can find someone who has a small disc who might let me try it on for size.


Joel

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2010-11-17          175176


Traction depends less on HP and more on tire tread, tractor weight, and ground conditions. With harrows you can put weights on or take discs off. You might prefer a cultivator with finger-like rakes that you pull through. You can grind them to a knife edge for cutting vines.

My first harrow was a Sears for my garden tractor pin hitch. It sure did a lot of damage. To two (maybe three, it was hard to tell) worms. ....

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2010-11-17          175177



To do your job you would need two things! Dry stems and hard soil!

Many farmers use disc's that are close to four hundred lbs per foot to cut corn stalks after a combine has been in the field with the older style heads. They do have issues depending on the soil as well as how green the stalks maybe.

Some will hit it with a bush hog style which hinders row crop tillage latter because they discharge the residue in a cicular motion and they often hang up on plows causing them to plug.
The most successful have used flail type mowers to do this. ....

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2010-11-17          175179


I have a double disc that is 7ft. something wide. One row of discs is notched which dramatically helps with chopping up stems. My tractor is 27HP and has no problem pulling it. It doesn't penetrate as much as I would like (something like a little over 2" deep) in clay soil without adding weights. I have about a 3/4-1 acre garden and just disc the portion without allot of cover remaining.

I generally plow most of the garden in the fall with a single bottom 14" plow which has a notched coulter that helps to cut stems before flipping over the soil. With the right tires in the furrow, the left rear tire drives over anything not yet tilled and does a number on all left over veggies. Makes them into squash! It gets kinda juicy at times which detracts from traction with turf tires. ....

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candoarms
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2010-11-17          175190


Yooperpete,

I like the idea of using a moldboard plow with the coulter running ahead of it. I believe that would work very well.

Better yet, the plow would be a lot easier to store than a disc harrow.....as well as being a lot cheaper and easier to maintain.

I'd like to thank everyone for the great responses. I appreciate it a whole lot.

Joel

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2010-11-17          175197


Candoarms, a few years back I have vines in a crop that needed to be plowed up and they were clogging the digger. I took two disk hillers which are much like a coulter and used them on my cultivators. The disk hillers are dished and don't penetrate very well but already used them for bedding with same cultivators. Is the trash heavy enough you could burn the field clean?

Woodie: it would surprise me if there is no adjustment to the angle of those gangs. Some disk (the better designs to me) use a simple pin you pull from the top side, there are those which have threaded rod/bolt to screw in or out to adjust the angle and then the lowest price design I have seen is different bolt holes in the frame where the stands for the axles are bolted on having different holes.

Yooperpete: by no means am I a disk expert but for me find a slight change in ground speed (normally slower allows disk to cut into the ground better) and angle of the disk (normally the more angle the better. At same time my disk will not cut into the ground the same as my brothers. His has deep dish blades and is different brands and normally just cuts better than mine. I have also found if first disking over trash rather than making two separate trips across the field it works best to over lap with one half of disk cutting first over and the other half cutting second over.

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2010-11-17          175208


Joel- Thanks for the info/link.
KT- Thanks for the hint, I may have to do a 'worm's eye' view of that disc unit as i might be over looking something. ....

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2010-11-18          175219


We had an 8' disk pulled easily by a 1947 Farmall likely only 25 hp. We piled cinder blocks on it for weight too.

Mom would operate the tractor while me and sis rode on the back of the drawbar. Not sure why we rode back there, but we stopped after sis bounced up, lost her footing and was run over by the disk. Mom freaked out. All sis had was a scratch on her forehead. ....

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2010-11-19          175235


Woddie, my family has a disk with the bolt hole adjustment and it was a while before I realize it.


EW, first glad you nor your sister were hurt. Gives you good winter weather stories to tell. ....

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2010-11-21          175284


Howdy friends.

Just reporting back on some of the advice I've received from my elderly neighbor. He's been farming and gardening for more than 60 years.

My neighbor tells me that he's had the best luck using a pasture renovator on his garden each Fall. The pasture renovator he uses was built by a farmer many years ago. Basically it is nothing more than a gang of coulters mounted across the front of an old cultivator frame.

I did some checking and found several Pasture Renovators of a similar design available on the market today. See the link below.

With a little searching, I might be able to find an old implement sitting in the trees somewhere that I'd be able to remove the coulters from.

I might have to give this idea some thought. It would be very easy to build. If I can find four coulters, I'll space them about 18 inches apart, on a frame weighing about 600 pounds. A few trips up and down the garden each Fall should be good?? It might be worth a shot.

Joel ....


Link:   Wingfield Pasture Renovator

 
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2010-11-22          175302


Bought my used disc for about $375.00. Making something or purchasing parts to build adds up fast. You can also purchase a single disc row commonly used for food plots and pulled by an ATV. Some others are used on garden tractors with a sleeve hitch. Northern Tool sells 365345-2101 for $169.99 ....

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