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 | eddiep
Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3 miami 
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2006-06-14 130870
i am deciding to purchase a TC 30 or TC 29. i am a light use grove farmer but need a loader and bushhog does anyone know the major differences, i hear more about the 30 but not much about the 29 and when i do its on sale or left over. how much better is hydro over manual.
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 | Peters
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 3034 Northern AL 
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2006-06-15 130901
The TC 30 is an older design that NH brought back in to be a price leader. I think it was the 16XX series frame, but I am not sure. The TC 29 is slightly heavier construction and is the more modern design.
From the discussion here on TP the dealers have found the hydro units to be as reliable as the gear. If you want more use the topic search on hydro. There is a lengthy discussion on the value of gear vs hydro. For manuvering in the trees I would go with the hydro, although companies like Goldini, McCormick and Antonio Carraro, who make orchard tractors are mostly shuttle shifts with syncro trans and multiple ranges. I am not sure the NH will have the speed ranges you need with out the hydro. ....
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 | oneace
Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1490 south central pa 
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2006-06-15 130911
The only difference between the TC30 and the TC 29 is the sheet metal and options. Every thing else is the same engine trans and axles. No suspended seat and no electronic cruise control but mechanical is available. Fixed rops and steering. ....
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| Peters
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 3034 Northern AL
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2006-06-15 130914
Oneace NH has 400 lb difference in weight between the tractors on the web, which suprised me. Do you think it is a misprint? ....
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| oneace
Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1490 south central pa
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2006-06-16 130925
That is right. All that extra paneling and options add up. the fiber glass floor and rear fenders weight almost 150 lbs more that the steel on the the TC30. ....
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| Peters
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 3034 Northern AL
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2006-06-16 130932
Oneace. I was thinking the plastic would be lighter, but I guess if you increase the size and cupholders etc. you end up adding a lot of weight. The cost of style.
My work on composites is always to reduce weight for example Oshgosh Trucks has a glass mixer barrel for the large trucks and it is 2000 lb less than the steel. ....
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| oneace
Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1490 south central pa
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2006-06-16 130940
Normally that would be the case but take a look at how thin the steel is. I could almost wrap my left over sandwich with it. ....
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 | earthwrks
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3853 Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
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2006-06-16 130944
If you're looking for benefits, try looking at the TC33D or DA. I've got the D, and like Oneace says, it has the suspended seat (nice!), tilt and telescoping steering wheel, 3-range hydro (plently of power--very reliable and smooth), SuperSteer (a must-have), electro-mechanical cruise control, seat swivels 15 degrees. The grille guard (another must-have) from a TC35 fits nicely even with front suitcase weights (optional), and the folding ROPS. I recently got a NH-branded Firebird fiberglass canopy from Messick's (new advertiser and Oneace's former employer)(thanks for the referral Oneace). Second thought, probbaly not a wise choice if you're doing grove work. ....
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| Peters
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 3034 Northern AL
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2006-06-17 130953
It is certainly a change from the old tractors like Olivers that you could pull the back fenders and plow the field with it.
Like the early seventies bumpers. We restored a Datsun 1200 once, I pulled the fount bumper and it was like tin foil without the braces on it. I was suprised they could chrome metal that thin.
Earthwrks, a little more chrome and some fake fur, we could enter it into "Pimp My Ride" on MTV. ....
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| earthwrks
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3853 Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
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2006-06-17 130956
Peters: Don't be hatin', now. (for the record my machine is all stock) Help me out here: Are you the guy that suggested the plywood for a canopy or the mexican dangling balls as a sunscreen? Anywho, I'll ignore the jab for now (iss-all-goood), but on a serious note there is a dealer on e-bay selling "chrome" rims, grille guards, exhausts, and the like for TC's and larger New Hollands (so there!). Turns out the "chrome" isn't even chrome at all but a silver powder coating.
And the fake fur (seat cover), guess what---I did ya one better. Last week I saw a REAL black lambs wool seat cover at the autoparts and couldn't resist. Had to modify it somewhat. Used it today in 93 degree weather and I barely broke a sweat. Swwwweeeet! Gonna make one for the skid steer next. And who knows you might even see 'em selling online.
Oh yeah, speaking of Pimp My Ride----as I mentioned in other posts, I'm (still) cleaning up the Katrina Hurricane mess in Miss. A few weeks ago I was sitting at a traffic light and what comes up beside me but pink-colored semi tractor with a debris hauling trailer with---get this--- those big spinner wheels like the gang bangers have! Those things were HUGE! I busted a gut when I saw them. I didn't see the driver but I've heard that if he smiles at you you'll see his one gold-capped tooth. ....
Link: chrome rear rims
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| oneace
Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1490 south central pa
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2006-06-17 130965
$100 dose not seem to be too bad of a price if the did not want your wheels in exchange. Around hear there is a shop that does "almost chrome" powder coating. It actually looks pretty good a wheel that size would cost about $80. ....
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 | BillMullens
Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 649 Central West Virginia 
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2006-06-17 130968
Don't forget the D model gets you the "Deluxe" 3 point hitch, too, which is the extendable tips. Sounds like a small detail, but once you get used to it, it's a necessity.
My TC29 is the "S" model (standard transmission) but I got the folding ROPS and deluxe 3ph as options. I don't regret getting the standard transmission, but I could sometimes use the infinite speed control of the hydro. Just wasn't worth the money for me.
As I'm getting older I do wish I had the swiveling seat. I wonder if that is a different seat or just a different base?
Good luck
Bill ....
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| earthwrks
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3853 Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
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2006-06-17 130969
Bill I have the "deluxe" 3-pt extenders. They are a joke. Mine wore out at about 50 hours. I ended up welding them solidly in place after I found that the arms are $270 each x 2. My solution to the extenders was to make my own quick attach similar to what a skid steer loader has--complete with hydraulic locking pins.
The swivel seat isn't designed too well either as if you tilt it forward to keep the rain off it gets caught on a corner of the seat base slider frame. I find it handy though to jam my knee up against the steering column as a backstop when doing grading and brush mowing. ....
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| BillMullens
Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 649 Central West Virginia
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2006-06-19 131016
Good grief. I have almost 700 hours on my TC and the 3ph arms don't show any wear. But then at least 1/2 those hours are pulling a 3ph finish mower, which wouldn't be very hard on the hitch. I'll keep a watch on it.
Bill ....
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| earthwrks
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3853 Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
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2006-06-19 131021
Bill I use mine for commercial grading and brushcutting which is hard on it, but even still they should have lasted a lot longer that 50 hours. Mine are made of a stamped sheetmetal sheath welded to the ends of the arms with a locking lever in each. The extensions slide inside the sheaths. The sheath gets pounded up and down and side to side to the point it allows the extensions to be very wobbly. This wobbly action makes it impossible to hold the box scraper at a given position; the box scraper can travel up and down at one end as much as 2" total. ....
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| eddiep
Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3 miami
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2006-06-27 131463
i want to thank everyone who responded this website and the individuals really did help. i bought the tc 29 da with 14 la fel, 5' sq 600, post hole digger 9 and 12" bits, and a sprayer. the advantages of the 29 over the 30 are substantial cruise control, 3 pt is alot easier to use, bigger hydraulic pumps, the 14 fel over the 7308 holds around 400# more, side lights with the headlights for night work, bigger seating and foot area and swivell and adjustable seat, its actually heavier, the hood goes up in one piece exposing the entire engine,tilt steering, better visibility on the fel, nicer dash, a couple more little things. i did get 4x4 and hydro thanks again to everyone and good luck. by the way i am now a premium member and recomend it ....
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2006-06-27 131465
Congratulations! It probably feels like Christmas in the summer, right? ....
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| Peters
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 3034 Northern AL
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2006-06-27 131468
Sounds like a sweet ride. No one can argue with your decision. Enjoy. Let us know if you have any questions. Thats what we are here for!! ....
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| brokenarrow
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1288 Wisconsin
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2006-06-29 131562
Peters
I can't speak for the tc30, but my TC 40 gear tractor has a range of speads that are as broad as you could imagine. Even when your in the lowest gear and running the power take off at 540 you still travel pretty creepy.
You go even slower if you dont need her wound up to 540rpm.
Then on to the opposit end. I put her in high range and I pass semi's on the highwy on their right side!!!!
(LOL) Ok maybe not but in all honesty I cant imagine needing to go any slower or faster than what I can with my tractor.
I will say this though, my new lawn tractor (Cub Cadet) has a hydro. Its the first hydro I have ever owned. I do see how a guy can kind of fall into the trap of hydro over gear (for no legit reason too) I love the way I can buzz up to a tree, slow her right down to a creep, turn around her and then crank it back up! I can see where it would have its beni's in a mowing situation! But IMO for most or all of my work I do with the tractor, I can definately use the extra money in my pocket than use a hydro transmistion. (My attitude may change once I need to use it for the snow! (PS. Then I buy a enclosed cab skid steer) LOL ....
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