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 03-03-2004, 12:59 Post: 78625
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During my high-rise construction years I did a lot of stick welding. All AC buzz box stuff until the companies started to by the AC/DC equipment. As I recall, ran a lot of 6013, 7018 rod. A little mud-rod from time to time as well.
I would like to have a little 115vac wire feed machine. Probably not doing anything over .25" mild steel but would like to do some aluminum. I'm seeing the next step up from the old weldpak 100's are the 135 class units. Hobart and Lincoln seem to be the main players in my category.
I know that a couple steps up from this gives you heavier-duty parts and such. Will I need them? Won't use it all that much and extended weld times will be few. Will get a set of bottles and a torch rig to accent my "fab" ideas.

Anyone using the 135 machines I speak of? How are they treating you?

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 03-03-2004, 13:37 Post: 78630
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I don't have one myself, but a very good friend of mine does. He restores old cars as a hobby and says he would be lost without his little mig machine.

I have had him do some sheet metal welding for me over the years and I must say it does do a VERY nice job, there is usually absolutely no grinding or finishing required before painting.

Best of luck.






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 03-03-2004, 13:39 Post: 78631
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Upon further review: I see that the Clarke 130EN model from Welding Depot (pkg#8) seems to be a nice comparable to the above-mentioned Lincoln/Hobart rigs. Better pricing too. I'm going to assume that this is due to a lesser known name maybe? Out here on the west coast we are not to as familiar with Clarke. I'm assuming that it is Clarke Mfg., forklifts and such. Pennsylvania?
I'm also going to assume that this "135" number is a max output rating in amps?
I sure assume a lot don't I.

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 03-03-2004, 13:50 Post: 78633
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I have an older Lincoln that I have used for years. It is probably a 120. It has had no problems at all. It welds well. I do mostly steel and stainless. Most of the welding has been solid wire with shielding gas, but I have also used flux core with it. The small lincoln wire welder actually does a better job with 0.023 steel wire when welding very thin stuff than my big wire welder.

I have welded aluminum with it. Technically it has enough power, but you really need a good spool gun if you are going to do much aluminum. The aluminum wire is difficult to "push" through the cable from the main unit. So, aluminum has a tendency to buckle and fail to feed. You can minimize this by keeping the cable fully extended and straight away from the welder. The friction goes up if you bend the cable. A spool gun "pulls" the wire through the cable and/or has a small spool and motor drive in the torch.

Now I know that someone is going to say, "you don't need a spool gun" which costs almost as much as the welder that you are buying. The point is that you CAN do aluminum with the conventional setup, but you will wish for more if you do very much of it. Your satisfaction will depend upon how much aluminum you need to do. Flexibility will be limited.

These rigs work fine for steel. CO2 gas works for most steel. You need Argon if you are going to weld SS and aluminum.






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 03-03-2004, 21:37 Post: 78700
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I am not sure that the 135A will do 1/4 steel. I believe they recommend the 150A.
The other manufacturer of the small machines is Miller. I have used the larger commercial Millers and liked them. I am not sure about the smaller rigs but the price is comparable.






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Thanks for input.
have heard that once you get the wire feed concept, you never go back. I'm thinking that as much control as possible with feed and heat settings is probably the key. The aluminum tip is a good one due to it's very nature. I'm researching the Clarke models right now.

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Wirefeed welding has its place, but I would not say that "you never go back." I prefer my wirefeed welder for most things, without a doubt. I have to use stick and chip the slag sometimes, because that is what is required to make a good weld. If you want to weld heavy sections with wirefeed, then you need a big power supply and special gases to produce a spray arc where the metal liquifies when it comes out of the contact tip and sprays in liquid form into the weld channel.

These smaller welders that you are talking about are for short circuit welding only. The wire comes out and makes contact and then melts off the short circuited section that gets hot. More wire feeds out and it does it over and over.

I have cut way back on Oxy-Ac welding, but I still use TIG, Stick, or MIG as the situation demands.






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Can't alway judge small MIGs by their amp rating. I am speaking of no-name bargain brands. My brother-in law has a 110v Miller which will do about anything up to small trailers out of angle iron. I'm totally sold on it and it will be my next purcahse. My 130 amp Marquette struggles over .100" thick material. Great for thin sheet metal though.






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Weld Procedure Specifications (AWS D1.1) can be written for steel over 1" thick with 3/32 flux core T71 wire. We use it in many applications for field welding where gas shielding is not recommended due to atmospheric problems. Requires 250 amp power source, but is an arc welding procedure. Been building bridges, buildings and stadiums for a long time and never heard of a welding proocess that "sprays" molten metal into a channel. The consumable is only a part of the welding process. The fusion and mixing between the base metal and the consumable in the weld pool forms a weld. I would like to learn more about the spray process you described. Shielding gases for GMAW are just that, shields, inert gases that keep the gases in the atmosphere from reacting in (boiling) the weld pool. Can you tell me the name of the welding process for steel that you are descibing. Thanks






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First 3 thing you need to know about welders is 1)MILLER 2)MILLER and 3)MILLER Nothing comes close.

If you going to want to weld aluminum you are going to want a miller 210 with the 3035 spool mate. I bought this set up about 1 month ago. By the time you buy a MIller 175, the 3035 spoolmate and spoolmate control box you could for about $300 buy twice the machine. Aluminum feeds at a much higher rate than steel. Most machines can't handle this speed. Plus aluminum is very soft and jams in the gun.

Miller by the way has the best customer support. I had a bad gas valve in my brand new miller 210. Then send me 2nd day air a new valve, regulator and 40 tip of .030 and .035. The i had the district manger call me and asked if the problem was fixed. I will never buy another welder from another manufactor.






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