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 07-09-2001, 08:22 Post: 29900
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First, thank you all for the information you have shared about compact tractors.For the past 20 years I have operated a Ford 8N. I have been satisfied with it performance, however I have found that it is geared a little high for some operations. Last week on my birthday my wife said if you want a new tractor why don't you get one. After looking over too many choices I selected the Kubota L3000.I looked at a 15 year old Ford 1710 with 1100 hrs. which the dealer wanted $9,800 for, it had very cracked read tires. The price was more than what this tractor sold for new.I figured in another 15 years this tractor would not be worth as much as I paid for it. So I decided to invest a few thousand more in a new tractor that might be worth what I paid for it in 15 years. My question is, what are the care, feeding, and operational differences between an old low RPM gas engine and a new disel ? Thanks,Randy






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 07-09-2001, 21:45 Post: 29929
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One requires diesel and the other requires gasoline.
One requires diesel engine oil to prevent soot and keep it clean and the other require reqular oil.
One requires you to keep the tank from empty and the other would happily run until dry.
One requires a good air filter to keep the injectors clean and the other will happily chew dirt.
Is this a test?
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 07-10-2001, 11:31 Post: 29956
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Thanks for the input. No, this was not intended as a test. I have not had any experience with diesel engines. With my old Ford 8N I don't run the engine RPM's any higher than necessary, more throttle is not always better in my estimation. The 8N has a good low RPM torque.
I don't want to operate the diesel engine is a manner that is going to hurt it. I know running it out of fuel is a bad thing, letting it overheat is not good either. I have run my 8N for about 20 years now and it is starting to burn a little oil. I would like to get 20 years out of the diesel engine before it has to be rebuilt. I thought there was maybe a little more difference between the two than the type of fuel.






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The newer diesel engines are better balanced and turn faster than the older ones, but so are gasoline engines.
Better balancing, better metal combinations in wear points and better engine oils have increased the life of the engines despite the increase engine speeds. Your average auto engine will get more than 150,000 miles. What can you as the owner change? Only the oil. With a diesel it is best to change it when needed. Most wear occurs at the point of start up before the oil pressure and oil splash have lubricated things. As the oils break down they loose their film forming properties increasing wear at this critical point.
If you take care of the Kubota, the engine should last much more than 20 yrs.
I understand your apprehension as I had a Old Oliver Super 55 gas before I bought my first diesel. Now I have one in the truck and three in the tractors.
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 07-11-2001, 08:41 Post: 29982
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Give it a good warm up at a fast idle, and it's pretty good idea to give it a cool it down as well. Diesels donít warm up much below 1500 rpm. They also may cool down in operation if lugging around at low rpm doing loader work. High enough rpm should be used to keep the engine in its operating temperature range. Running a cool engine isnít good. Change the anti-freeze every two-years (some diesels are subject to water jacket erosion from cavitation. New injector pumps probably are engineered for low-sulfur fuel, but use of a fuel conditioner isn't a bad idea. Many fuel conditioners also contain an anti-gel additive. Number 2 diesel gels in cold weather, which is a mess. If it's a cold climate, make sure it has a block heater. I also use magnetic heaters on the hydraulic oil sump and a battery blanket. Batteries are important on diesels, because a diesel has to crank fast to start. Battery terminals should be cleaned regularly, and warm batteries work much better. I ended up with a 15-year old 1710, but I expect to still be driving it in 20 years even if NH continues to reduce parts support for Fords.






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 07-11-2001, 09:55 Post: 29985
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I live in New Hampshire where the temps. can be pretty low at times. The tractor comes with a block heater, but the battery and hydraulic heater sound like good advice. The RPM and temp. connections explain one of the reasons why I see others run their diesel engines at higher RPM's when warming them up.
My tractor should arrive the end of this week. Thanks for the advice.






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A couple of further thoughts on cold weather operations: I'm in Northern Ontario where it also gets cold. The anti-freeze to use should be diesel rated. I use a NH 0W-30 engine oil recommended by my dealer and a multi-season hydraulic (NH F200 or equivalent). Never use ether starter fluid--especially in an indirect injection engine with glow plugs. Start with the hand throttle 1/2 - 3/4 open. Higher starter settings act as kind of a diesel choke. Keep the fuel tank topped-up during the winter to reduce condensation and store fuel in standard sealed plastic containers or tilted bulk drums with condensation drains. I switch to #1 diesel fuel during the winter and also use a conditioner/anti-gel. #1-Diesel has a lower gel point than #2, but it does produce somewhat lower power. Most of the time I'm on ice, and power isn't the problem. Despite all this cold weather stuff, I haven't had a bit of trouble with cold weather starts. A couple of hours on the block heater and it fires up just like summer.






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 07-12-2001, 15:12 Post: 30018
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The diesel fuel available at gas stations around here is supposed to be formulated for the season. The tractor dealer recommended diesel fuel from the local gas station and not to use home heating oil, I don't know what numbering system they fall under. I didn't realize starter fluid was a bad thing. Thanks for the advice, I am sure I have a few things to learn by experience. However, what I can learn from someone else's experiences is all the better.
Thank you for taking the time to share what you know, I will do the same as I can.






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#2 diesel is fuel, or furnace, oil while #1 diesel is stove oil, or kerosene. Bunker oil is heavier than #2. Somebody did some research awhile back and posted some gel and flash points of several typical summer and winter blends. As I recall, the gel point of some winter #2 can be as high as 15F while the gel point of #1 is -25F. It gets colder than -25F here. It is possible that some fuel dealers now use the same anti-gel agent that is in the fuel additives, or they may just use methanol. I use #1 plus a conditioner/anti-gel because itís cheap insurance and #1 starts easier in the cold. I also need the extra injector pump lubrication for my mid-80ís tractor. Anyway, I agree with the dealer that highway (undyed) fuel from a station is easiest and also probably is adequate. However, it is good to get some certainty around winter fuel. Cleaning up gelled fuel is a mess I hear. Itís good to use a high volume station or a trusted small dealer. Some small dealers may have summer blend fuel in the tanks for much of the winter, and the attendants may not know the winter blend gel point or even when their distributor starts supplying winter fuel. Some small dealers may end up with condensation in their tanks, which can cause starting problems and also promote algae growth. Cleaning up algae is even messier than cleaning up gelled fuel, but unlike cleaning up gelled fuel, at least it probably would be warm.






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I seem to remember an instance when a person from southern New Jersey in their Volkswagon diesel rabbit visited the people who were renting the house next door to me. The temperature got down to -25F that night. The next morning the car started but ran only seconds. They were told the problem was the diesel fuel from the south turned to gel, and to add a few gallons of gasoline to the tank. It worked, but I don't know if it was the best thing to do. Now I have a question; If I obtain some cold weather additive then add it to fuel that has already been treated for the season could I be creating a problem??






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