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 02-08-2004, 13:36 Post: 76346
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Hi
I have some questions about adding a grapple bucket to my john deere460 Loader.
What accessories do I need?? I have the 3rd select value out the back of the tractor.
How is the grapple control Work and where is it tighted in? Could someone list part numbers?I would like to look up pictures if possible. I Know about the lines that mount the loader. I have the 4510 Reverser tractor.
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 02-08-2004, 13:44 Post: 76348
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Maybe I'm a little confused. If you have a 3rd SCV already that would be the control to use and it should already be mounted (on my 4310 it's a lever in front of the 3ph control). You'd run the lines down the loader arms to the grapple hydraulics. What brand grapple are you looking at?






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 02-08-2004, 13:59 Post: 76350
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I have been watching Ebay for one.
I understand about control leveler.
But I have the center link connected there already.
And Isn't there a set couplers to add where my loader Quick couplers are ? I Not sure which bucket to get.
I do landscaping on the side. Lot of brush ,stones and Leaves need to be pickup.






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 02-08-2004, 14:09 Post: 76352
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I don't know if this will help but I can tell you how my grapple is hooked up. The 3rd SCV is used to control the grapple with the lines running down the right loader arm and the quick couplers are mounted at the end of the arm near the bucket. In your case you want the 3rd SCV to do double duty between the top-link and grapple. You can probably get a diverter valve to swap between those functions. I have an electric diverter that swaps the joystick between loader/curl and 3ph Top-N-Tilt functions. This was installed before delivery so I'm not sure how it all connects up.






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 02-09-2004, 06:20 Post: 76407
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It doesn't sound like the top-link would be adjusted often when the grapple is used.

There was a thing called a hydraulic multiplier discussed a few years back. The particular one discussed may no longer be manufactured but similar gadgets likely are around. They are valving on the work ports of a control valve that switches the lines between two or more double-acting cylinders. The people who had them said they worked OK but frequent switches got to be a pain.

Another alternative is adding a control valve section to the valve assembly that contains the rear outlet valve or replacing a single valve with an assembly. Control valve sections can be purchased for valve makes.






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 02-09-2004, 13:33 Post: 76434
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I'm a bit confused also, outlets in the back for a loader mounted attachment? I own a 4610 with 48 hoe and 460 loader. I have a six ft. Borgford grapple that pins in place of the loader's bucket, it operates from the accessory third function oil line installation that has a male and female connector at the loader torque tube. The dual selective control valve operates the loader, the hydraulic third selective control valve operates the two outlets on the torque tube. Push the third scv all the way down for 'float,' back to open jaws, forward to close the jaws (pages 44 thru 46 of the owner's manual). The hoe runs off of the power beyond kit. I understand there is a flow diverter accessory kit that will enable you to choose between front or rear outlets, but I don't think you can use both sets of outlets at once.






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 02-09-2004, 15:08 Post: 76445
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Abbeywoods, I thought I was the only one with a Borgford grapple. I'm pretty impressed with it. How do you like yours?






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 02-09-2004, 19:47 Post: 76465
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I think we're on the same wavelength. The problem as I understood it is that the tractor has three circuits and the third is used by a hydraulic top-link. I think Hydraulic Multiplier is or was a brand name for a version of the diverter valve accessory mentioned--a way of getting a selectable 2nd outlet from one control valve. It would mean long hoses if the valve is mounted towards the rear and operation may not be convenient. One likely could be added to a loader circuit as well but that would complicate loader operation. Since I don't have joy stick linkage on my loader, I'd probably look at adding a control valve to my loader valve.






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 02-10-2004, 10:01 Post: 76532
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KW, it was you who wet my appetite for the Borgford. Having had all of my CUT's set up for skid steer loader compatibility, I was at a loss to decide whether to buy a JD 4610 or a JD 110tlb, as I was giving my L35 to a niece and nephew and selling my CC 7275. As you know, the 460 loader uses pins for its attachments, not the standard skid steer universal setup. The JD 110tlb does have the universal, but won't fit through my barn doors, fold the ROPS on the 4610 and in it goes. I was wrestling with what to buy, then I saw your photos, here, and caught the mfg. from your post. The grapple has seen very little work because I got my machine in Nov. of '03. What I see, I love, and expect it will do just fine. By the way, I use the JD forklift attachment carriage assembly (with some welding and bolting) for the means to attach other implements previously setup with the universal skid steer plate system. I thank you for your sharing Borgford with me as it solved a dilemma. I'm not a full member, so I can't read your full posts - was going to join, but Dennis doesn't take checks - and after being the victim of identity theft, I don't give my numbers to anyone, and that includes PayPal.

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Abbeywoods, using a JD forklift carriage as a universal skid steer adapter is cool. Did you buy the carriage parts separately? I'm curious as to parts cost.






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