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 01-27-2007, 13:35 Post: 139202
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Been a reader for awhile, good forum and have learned quite a bit from all.
Need some advice and ideas concerning getting a 3ph put on my JD 4200. I currently have a 47 backhoe on the back. I want to put a 3ph snow blower on for winters. I chekced with John Deere dealer and they said for all the parts it would cost about $1000 for cernterlink, draftlinks and side lifts and all pins, chains etc. Any way to get cheaper? Have found some on web that say will fit all compacts. Dealer says that they list for slightly biggger tactors. Would I be OK putting these on, what would I need to check? Also what is the use/difference between regular and telescoping draft links. Any thought?






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 01-27-2007, 14:34 Post: 139204
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Couple things: If you do buy the aftermarket parts I'd first check out a similar tractor with factory parts and measure the parts for comparison. Even if you find old parts and you can weld, cut them down or make them longer or remove and replace the ball ends if they're worn out--new ends are about $10-15 each

Unlike the Wendy's commercial---parts ain't parts.

I have the extending bottom hitch arms on 2002 New Holland TC33D which is sort of similar to a 1710 model. My supposed "deluxe" (expensive) parts wore out and bent after a short time (bending was my fault). Turns out the 3pt hitch parts are NOT interchangable even within the same basic model. I ended up unbending them, and welding the extension parts solid.

Keep in mind that a lot of those aftermarket parts are coming from India. There are many many tractor brands around the world---and for sure those parts probably do fit one or several. But ALL--I don't think so.

If all you are doing is putting a snow blower on I wouldn't worry about much more than getting the arms within a few inches longer plus or minus of OEM. The top link, same thing. The things you have to look for is the hole diameters in the links, and if they rub on the tires. There are limiting chains available to prevent rubbing too. That was the other thing that made my arms not compatible with the former model is that mine has adjustable slotted bars instead of chains, and some brackets welded to them.

Incidentally, a few years ago when I had a '47 9N Fordson, I ordered new arms and a top link--price inc. shipping $400. I sent them back when I found them locally at TSC for less than half. And they were not OEM-type Ford parts but aftermarket junk too.






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 01-27-2007, 15:18 Post: 139206
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Thanks earthworks. I don't beleive these are aftermarket parts. Used John Deere. Probably the holes and pin sizes are the most important thing to check if only putting on snow blower correct?






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 01-27-2007, 23:35 Post: 139218
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Yeah, for the most part. There are different Categories 0, 1 that I'm familar with. Usually the bigger the end holes the higher the Category. Just be sure you have swing or sway chains on the lower bars otherwise the first time you turn or go off-camber the bars will get caught on the tires which at the very least is annoying, and worse-case could rip or chunk out the tire tread.






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 01-29-2007, 18:55 Post: 139313
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So that is what those chains are for. EW you are the smratest person I Know. I am not joking I just always hooked them up.






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 01-29-2007, 19:47 Post: 139316
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SG: Ahhh...I realize I'm jis' a transplanted redneck or Rankee...but what does "smratest" mean?

If it means what I think it does, then okay I am the smratest person you know (this week--last week I wasn't So Sad )

My next lesson:

"The loose plastic cover tube on the PTO shaft---where do you tighten it so it doesn't spin free?"

Instructor's note: The class's visual-aid volunteer this week will be Mr. Noarman ("Stew"Wink yeah right Paddassole. Be sure to give him a hand or two.






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EW, Mine is made of cast iron and has flat spots for a ford wrench, and I have never used the PTO I do know it has two speeds 540 and 1000. There is bad stuff under that cover that I dont need to plunder around with at this time. I think I need an A-tach-ment to put on the PTO. Mostly at this time my tractor is just a big 4wd 25hp wheelbarrow I do use a scraper blade if that will get me any points.

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Correction: You are the SMARTEST MAN I KNOW.






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 01-30-2007, 16:02 Post: 139340
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SG: I'll bring ya up to speed (pun intended) on the PTO shaft cover--I'm referring to the attachment's (implement) PTO shaft and the loose, tubular safety cover that is suppose spin free on it so that if someone gets their hand/arm/leg/hair/clothing next to or on the cover it will stop but the shaft inside will continue to rotate under power.

BTW, the name of my fictious volunteer, Mr. Noarman, is a play on the words "No Arm Man", as in, before the advent of these safety covers many a person lost their arms, legs or their lives when they got wrapped around the shaft. Myself, I got my hand wrapped around the PTO shaft on the back of an old Farmall at age 14 messing around. Broke my hand in three places.






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 01-30-2007, 17:20 Post: 139344
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griz, your question seems so simple. Then I wondered, just what all your tractor needs and have no idea. I would take a very careful look at another tractor like yours if at all possible, even taking pictures and then compare to see what parts your's would be needing. Unless your manual tell you. You may find it only needs some very basic lift arms or you may need JD mounts plus all the rest. If you only need basic lift arms and 3 rd arm, you should be able to find them from someone beside JD. Now if you need mounts for or the arms that connect to the shaft that rotates to do the lifting, my guess is JD made is only option.

I was going to change a Case from stablizer chains to stablizer linkage a few years ago. It was amazing the mounts that had to be replaced.

On EW about damaging tires without stablizers connected. You can also damage some equipment plus tires. I am slowing learning when you hook up to 3 pth, lift and try swinging to be sure it does not hit tires.

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EW,

Now I got you, there was a program on one of the health channels about a young man that got tangled up in the PTO shaft and both arms were jerked completely off. This saved his life. Both arms were attached but it took years of recovery. If you are going to use the PTO it would be a good idea to have some kind of guard that works. Will this guard also fit over the clutch.

Griz and KT

I have bought several items after the fact to fit on the lift arms (Draw Bar, scraper blade) they both fit just fine after adjusting the width of the lift arms.

SEMI OFF SUBJECT QUESTION:

When I attach the DRAW BAR and put a trailor hitch ball on it what are the items called that you attach to the Lift Arms and the DRAW BAR that keep the draw Bar from swiviling up or down. I have found that I can make a simi dump trailer out of my utility trailer using the lift arms and draw bar but it is not the best looking unit with the draw bar rolling up and down.






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