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 03-25-2004, 12:31 Post: 81100
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Thanks everyone for being so responsive to my last post. I ran by my local John Deere dealer during lunch and looked at a few tractors. After telling him what I was looking to do (till a mid-sized garden, mow fields and possibly my yard with a finishing mower, load and distribute dirt/stone, etc), he told me that a 35 HP would be a terrible choice. He said I need a compact tractor for most of these things--a bigger tractor would tear up the yard, etc. At the same time, he said a small tractor's FEL is pretty useless (compared to full-sized) AND I don't fit well on small tractors.

Can a 35 HP tractor with std tires (I think turf tires wouldn't be my best choice because in the garden, using a FEL, etc. would lose traction too easily) not be used in yards and such? Will it really be that destructive? Am I looking at having to buy a 35 HP AND a compact to do all I want to do?? I'm just afraid of buying a small, ill-fitting tractor and wishing 2 months down the road I had bought one with more power.






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 03-25-2004, 12:39 Post: 81101
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Hmmmm. I mow my yard with a JD 4610 with R4 tires. Looks fine to me. I'll take a pic of it here in a bit and you can see for yourself.






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OK, look at pic #5. The yard was mowed past Sunday with a 3,400 lb John Deere 4610 pulling a Landpride rear finish mower.






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 03-25-2004, 13:14 Post: 81104
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Wow - I can see why you can mow that lawn with a large tractor. They don't have lawns as big and as flat as that in New York! Very nice.






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 03-25-2004, 13:44 Post: 81105
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I guess that answers that question! See--this is my concern. I can't seem to get straight answers from most of the dealers I talk to. Some say one thing, others say something else. I *know* they're trying to sell their products, but I'd just like some straight, knowledgeable answers. So all-in-all, you all think my choice of a 35 HP would be more in line with what I need? Exactly what would a compact tractor be useful for where a large one wouldn't? I used to think it was price, but the differences really aren't that significant.






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 03-25-2004, 13:58 Post: 81106
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bigger tractors have bigger tires to help disperse the weight. If you need to have ag tires to work in yur garden then maybe it is to wet to be in there to begin with. When on dirt and the ground is wet the numbers on compaction go up fast to a 50% increase. Billy, love that generator.






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 03-25-2004, 14:02 Post: 81107
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Well, it's not ag tires I want... I want the -ugh- what's it called... between ag and turf. They have treads, but very mild compared to ag tires. I'm assuming that's what the R4 tires are mentioned above?






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Jonathan, I will say I don't mow when it's wet. I usually wait at least 2 days after a rain.


Thanks Art, I love it too (when ever I need it). I'll love it even more when it's paid for. I can say, it's a Hummer of a generator.






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I'm confused as well. From your earlier post, I assumed that you were looking for a compact utility with 35 HP (diesel)4WD and were shopping between green, orange and blue. If you're looking at a 35 HP 2WD farm tractor, that is definitely too big for your size projects.

My 27HP (diesel) 4WD compact utility with turf tires and FEL with 60" bucket can lift 1200 lbs., can plow with a single bottom moldboard plow about 8" deep with tires spinning. It also can run a 60" wide King Kutter rear PTO tiller without any trouble. I push lots of snow with a 72" wide Landpride rear blade. I have a 72" mid-mount mower that really cuts grass nice but is a hassle taking on and off. With a rear finish mower you can do a very nice job mowing.

Most people have chosen the R4(Industrial tires) over the turfs for the extra traction. The R1(farm or ag tires) really can rip things up but give far superior traction over the R4's. If I drive my IH Model "C" farm tractor with 25 HP gas on a dry lawn it even makes big dents.

If the ground is wet in your garden you shouldn't be in it. If the grass is wet you shouldn't be mowing it.

I wish I had a few more HP but am getting by without a problem. The 35HP you mentioned would be perfect for me.






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 03-25-2004, 14:37 Post: 81111
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Jonathan, In the landscaping business we experience a wide variety of ground conditions, at different times of the year. The many tractors I've used have had all three types of tire; R1 Ag, R3 Turf, and R4 Industrial/Construction. Not all tires are created equal, to underscore this I can tell you that an R4 Titan (as the type normally found on the new Deeres) and an R4 Galaxy (a Deere option) are different. How much so, I couldn't say unless two identical machines were working side by side in the same conditions.

All three types will work over a lawn pretty good if the tractor is in mfwd. Usually the action of the front wheels help keep the ground from becoming compacted. Turn too tightly in mfwd and you stand a good chance of ripping the lawn.

As long as the turf isn't rain soaked or just coming off the spring thaw, R4's work well and won't tear up your lawn. They are not perfect, but they do offer greater width than the typical R1. I use the R4's on all of my machines because they shed mud and compacted dirt better than R3's do. Around here landscapers must clean up after the job if they leave any dirt shed by the tires on a public road. Turf tires in dirt clog the tread and then shed once they hit a hard surface. In the high class neighborhoods I work, the locals complain about almost anything, dirt from tires is just one of the many ones I have to deal with.

If I understand your post, you are doubting the 35hp machine is right for you. One way to find out, try one. See if you can get a demo on your property from several makers' dealers. Use the FEL to lift the heaviest object you have a need to lift, that may give you some insight into what you want, or need.






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