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 01-23-2004, 11:36 Post: 74830
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I just got my block heater kit in from the UPS man yesterday. Looks to me like a pretty simple install. These kits will fit the 4210 and up engines. Has anyone here intalled the kit on their tractor? How much anti-freeze did you loose when you took the engine plug out? I would appreciate and lessons learned/feedback on the install and performance.






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 01-24-2004, 08:41 Post: 74926
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I had my block heater installed when I bought my 4410 so I didn't install it. Mine is installed on the left side of the engine and appears to be slightly behind something. I assumed they drained the coolant to do the install. When I asked about getting a block heater the sales person suggested that I didn't need one and I was one of few that ever asked about one. I live in central PA. I had a 4310 without the block heater and never had a starting issue even on cold days but I decided to get one for my 4410.

I plug mine in about an hour before using the tractor. It's starts like summer even on the coldest of days and is very responsive and ready to go.

In summary I'm glad I got one.

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 01-25-2004, 07:54 Post: 74991
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Chief: I can't help with the specifics. You probably know that there are good descriptions of how to remove freeze plugs in the archives. What I wanted to say is that it sounds like a good excuse to change the coolant. It may be easier to just drain the block rather than wonder how much to drain to get the level below the freeze plugs. It's probably common knowledge but coolant should be changed every two years anyway. Most compact engines aren't highly affected by water jacket cavitation. However, changing coolant is still good practice in order to get rid of the permanent anti-freeze that isn't.






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 01-27-2004, 09:35 Post: 75175
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That is not a bad idea Tom. I will have to take a look at antifreeze. The block heater is actually a threaded plug to no removal of a freeze plug is required.

Aside from the John Deere stuff, anyone have any comments of suggestions on PRE-MIXED diesel engine grade anti-freeze.

I would still appreciate any comments, suggestions, or tips on installing one of these block heater kits from anyone who has actually installed one.

I will post my comments and tips after I am done installing mine. It REALLY is VERY helpful when someone does make these comments as it made a BIG difference on how I installed my armrest kit based on Billy's comments. Thanks again Billy!






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 01-27-2004, 16:33 Post: 75238
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I put two of those in this fall. On 870 and 4510 deere I did not drain the the block. I had the heater ready with sealer on it. With cap left on it lost maybe quart.
It is imposible to drain the block without taking out that plug. So have everything ready and just do it. You will be suprised how little will be lost. The hardest part was loosing the factory plug on that 4510. It took a 2 foot cheater and a light taping to break it loose. I had to remove my starter. on the 4510






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 01-27-2004, 16:40 Post: 75239
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bmocad, thank you very much for that reply!!! That was EXACTLY the info. I was hoping to hear! I have an air powered impact wrench gun and 6 point impact sockets up to 2". I am hoping I can get the plug out with that. I was thinkingt the exact same thing about coating the threads of the block heater threaded plug and having it ready to go when I remove the block threaded plug and just hurry up and install the block heater as you posted. I will have to take a look and see where the plug in on my 4410. Thanks! Great post!






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 01-27-2004, 18:37 Post: 75246
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Good luck with the impact wrench. I put one in a 790 JD my
600lb air ratchet, wouldn't budge it. I used a breaker bar with a 5ft extension finally broke loose. I now have a breaker bar that looks like banana.






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 02-04-2004, 14:42 Post: 75972
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Gentlemen you were indeed correct with respect to the tightness of the engine block drain plug. It was torqued down to about 1.5 zillion ft./lbs. torque and loctite'd in place. I could not budge it with a 2 ft. breaker bar so I used a 5 ft. long piece of pipe and it broke after about 30 degree of wrench arc flexing the breaker bar. Had to take a break to pickup my daughter from the bus stop but will post any comments about the rest of the install when I am finished with it.






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 02-04-2004, 18:09 Post: 75978
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OK, the block heater is in! A couple of things I would mention as an After Action Report (AAR as it was called in the Army).

You definitely need a LONG piece of pipe to put on the breaker bar to loosen the block drain plug. As mentioned before have the thread sealer already on the block heater and have it ready to do in when you take out the drain plug. (a note of advice: tightening down the block heater is a ROYAL PAIN IN THE ARSE so test the block heater BEFORE you install it......just a few seconds plugged in to see if it gets warm.....NO MORE than a few second or you can burn it up)

Another thing to do BEFORE you remove the drain plug is to loosen and remove the raditior cap and then reinstall it. If you don't like I did.........you get anti-freeze coming out of the block under pressure. Be REAL FAST with installing the block heater so minimize loosing anti-freeze. It is a little difficult to do this as there is very little room due to hyd. lines, the starter, and the hyd. pump.

Make sure you have a 1 5/16 or metric equivalent wrench to tighten down the block heater; preferable an offset open end head type. My biggest wrench was 1 1/4 so I had to fanaegle (more like half ass it) with a pair of water pump pliers. (I was commited at this point and had no choice. (did not want to leave the hyd. system open like that until I got a special wrench) You may end up removing the starter (which is another PITA) to get a better shot at the block heater to tighten it up.

Removing the clamps from the rubber hyd. pump manifold was not hard but reinstalling them was a bear. Not much room to work with.

I saved the anti-freeze and ran it through a coffee filter and re-used it. (about 2 quarts leaked out when I removed the drain plug. I lost may a 4 - 6 ounces of hyd. oil. The hyd. pump growled a little until it purged itself of air.

My best advice would be.........if you have not purchased the tractor yet........negotitate the block heater in with the purchase price. Otherwise, it is not that bad of a job PROVIDED you have the correct tools.

Transmission oil heater and under belly guard shield kit installation is next!






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Chief, the reason I own a 4310 now is because a block heater in my old Ford 2000 lit the tractor on fire, and it burn't to a crisp (burned until the entire full tank of gas fuel was gone). Luckily, the shed didn't go with it (took 6 fire extinguishers!)

I have sworn off block heaters for a couple of years.

Sorry, should have told you this before you went to all the effort. Smile






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