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 06-09-2003, 12:54 Post: 57214
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I've got a problem with the clutch on my '78 JD 2240. When the tractor has been run for an hour or so, the clutch sometimes, not always, will make a loud moaning/groaning type sound when the pedal is depressed. When this happens, the clutch also does not seem to quite disengage all the way.
I know this rig is not exactly a compact tractor, but thought you all may have an idea what is wrong. This condition in no way hinders the operation of the tractor, I'm just concerned it may indicate more serious problems not too far down the road. Any Ideas?

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 06-09-2003, 13:19 Post: 57216
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 JD 2240 with noisy clutch

It probably indicates more serious trouble to come. I would get it checked. It could be as simple as a release bearing going dry. Can you grease the release bearing on that tractor ?






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 06-09-2003, 13:34 Post: 57220
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Don't think the release bearing is greasable. There is a section in the operator's manual showing all the components that need lubrication, and the throw out bearing is not mentioned. There is also an inspection cover in the bell housing, I removed the cover and looked inside, didn't see any zerks.






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 06-10-2003, 05:59 Post: 57256
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You might even have a pilot bearing on it's way out. It is hard to tell but if they have never been changed either could be the culprit. They are not greaseable on those tractors other than with a cheater seal greaser and without disassembly at best you might be able to do the throwout bearing.






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 08-07-2003, 08:11 Post: 61139
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Thought I would dredge this thread up & solicit more advice from the experts. I was bushhogging with the 2240 again this past weekend, and the clutch was moaning/groaning like a SOB. The condition is basically as I described in the original message, but I did notice that the moaning noise stops when the clutch is fully depressed. This rig has a two stage clutch, you can push the pedal 1/2 way down to disengage the transmission, and all the way to disengage the pto. The clutch drags slightly when it makes the groaning noise, I don't see how the pilot bearing, or release bearing could be the culprit since the noise, and dragging stop when the clutch is depressed all the way to the floor. Seems to me it has to be something to do with the two stage clutch. Anyone have any ideas?
Also, if I wind up needing to replace the clutch, pressure plate, pilot, release bearings, etc. does anyone have any suggestions regarding where to get the parts? I remember a while back a guy with a slightly newer JD than my 2240, but a similar size, was looking for a clutch, he mentioned something is his post about the JD dealer 'thinking he owned an oilwell". If whoever posted that thread found a clutch at a decent price, please let me know the details.

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 08-07-2003, 12:21 Post: 61163
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Hate to say this but there is not much tougher of a clutch to keep up with then multi-stage clutches. You have the clutches coming apart and dropping themselves all over the shafts they are to slide on. This gives them a lack of good lubricated shafts to slide on and making them hard to depress. We just had one in a 424 inernational in and was it hard to push down! Yes it did creak as being depressed and no way could you do it by hand,until we replaced the clutches and lubricated it. If they are that dry then chances are they might not be releasing it all the way either. the easiest way to know you have the right parts is to go to the stores your local farmers use. It sounds like you have found your problem. If this unit was in constant use it might not have had the time to do this until they were wornout. As it is sitting might be some of the culprit.






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 08-07-2003, 12:23 Post: 61165
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I forgot to add that some of these are very difficult to adjust and special care needs to be taken when setting these up so beware! I just hate most things that I have to do twice to perfect! Thank heavens for s#x.






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 08-08-2003, 06:48 Post: 61202
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General help only from me I'm afraid, and maybe little help at all. First thing is that almost any clutch work requires splitting a tractor. To do the work yourself, a prerequisite is that you're equipped to split the tractor. Second is that my Ford repair manual calls for three special tools to install a double clutch. Experienced mechanics often can work around special tools but I think it's pretty difficult. Just installing a new double clutch takes a fair bit of equipment and experience.

It might be good to gather a bit more information about the problem. For example, Does the moaning happen only happen when the pto is engaged? Does it happen only with a heavy load like a cutter on the 3ph whether or not the pto is engaged? Unlikely but there could be some flex between the engine and cases that changes when carrying a heavy load. For similar reasons I wouldn't eliminate the pilot bearing, and some tractors have two of them.

I also wouldn't eliminate TX clutch problems quite yet. I think that the clearance between the disc and pressure plate continues to increase as the pedal is depressed further to disengage the PTO clutch. I'd keep in mind that the TX clutch wasn't fully disengaging when it was moaning.

Since you have access to the bell-housing (few compacts do) you might try cleaning an lubing the pilot shaft and throwout bearing. That doesn't sound like it's the problem to me. Even if it were the bearing likely would be damaged and need replacing. For most people even replacing a throwout bearing would be more of a shop than a home job.

Some better news maybe is that my Ford repair manual basically says that double clutches are serviced only as assemblies (meaning buy a new one and throw the other away). However, my parts manual does have part numbers for individual double-clutch parts. Companies used to rebuild auto clutches and there'd probably be some potential if individual parts can be obtained.






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 08-08-2003, 07:03 Post: 61203
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Thanks for the info, Art. I'm certain your diagnosis is correct, should have thought of it myself. I'm hoping this problem may solve it's self, I bought my tractor with 800 hours on the clock four years ago, so obviously it has done quite a bit of sitting around (it's a '78 model). The tractor now gets used at least once weekly, so maybe the discs will eventually polish the rust/crud off of the input shaft. The clutch is not at all hard to depress, and it does seem to release completly, it does not even drag all of the time. I believe I will just keep on using the tractor, and hope for the best. It would be nice if this problem went away, but if not, it does not really hurt anything provided it does not get any worse, certainly does not justify breaking the tractor apart! Thanks again for your help.






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Don't know of your age but if you have the will to run the engine and just sit and depress the petal over and over very slowly might help loosen it up some. It will tighten up sooner or later and more then likely break or wear out a finger or two. It will only get worse as the accumulations will draw moisture. It will get harder to push as time goes on. But then I'd say 6 hours to split and install and having enough time to do a good job. Don't know how long it will take to have the flywheel turned and don't know if it is a recessed flywheel or not but believe it is, be sure if it is the recess is cut to factory specifications. They are in the factory service manuals.






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