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 04-15-2003, 23:12 Post: 53197
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I'm currently looking into buying a new not so compact compact tractor. I want at least 40Hp and and 4wd. I also will purchase a front loader and a grader box with the tractor. Any info on the Kubota's GrandL, the Deere's 4010's, Case IH's DX's and the NH Bomer's would help, all 4 dealers are very close buy. I'm looking for the good and bad. The tractor will be doing all sorts of jobs as I'm starting a landscaping business. I've worked on a farm for most of my life but never have delt with these compact tractors. Every dealer says their tractor is the best, and give reasons why the others are bad but since these tractors are quite expensive I want some owners telling what they like and don't like about the brands they've had or have.

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 04-16-2003, 03:04 Post: 53204
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I would go to the dealer that has given your farmequipment and you the best support over the years. The ag dealers that care about their customers will serve you the best and they all "SHOULD" have a good handle in the compact arena by now.

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 04-17-2003, 16:19 Post: 53310
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The L series Kubota is not a compact its the step above but if you want a good hard working tractor for landscape work you may want to look at the new Kubota model B7800. It is a 30 hp 4 cylinder diesel which has a lot of power for landscape work and is 4 wheel drive hydro drive with power steering which you will want with loader work. I bought one in Febuary and am using it for landscaping and land clearing and have been real surprised with what it does with no complaints at all. the B7800 is the largest size of the compacts without the costly extras of the same size B2910. I hope this helps






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 04-17-2003, 20:07 Post: 53318
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You are in the twilight zone of is it a CUT or a utility tractor .... The CUT's seem to stop at about 40 HP. What are you planning to do with the tractor ? Do You want hydro drive ? or synchro shuttle shift transmission ? If you are going to be using a box blade or plow you might want to consider draft control. Also look at the loader, do you want a self leveling bucket, nice but cost more.

I think we need more information to help you out.

The brands you mentioned are pretty much the same in quality. All are imported. I would look for one with the features you want/need, and the best price.

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 04-17-2003, 20:48 Post: 53323
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Yep it's gotta have the draft control and the self leveling loader as well. We have a 6400 JD on the farm and I really like the self leveling loader.

The tractor will be used for finish grading and loader work. I'm thinking of more of a Shuttle shift but the hydro would be ok as well. I'm for sure I want a power reverser.

I've been reading a lot of the other posts on the board and it's helped out a lot. I'm to the point where I think I'll go test them all and see which one fits the best.

Thanks for the help, and keep it coming.

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 04-18-2003, 07:45 Post: 53342
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I'm curious about the role of draft control in a landscaping buz, but maybe there are other needs as well. I think of draft control as something for plowing. I believe there is a discussion in the archives where Art describes experimenting with draft-control for a box scraper.

I'd compare the lift specs of a self-leveling loader with the same model w/o self-leveling. The feature on some models be selectable but it does take a bit of power to run self-leveling. Of course, start with a big enough tractor and power isn't an issue.

Self-leveling does have some safety advantages, but I suppose the main interest is that it saves time. If extensive loader operations are expected to be extensive, a few other features such as fast dump and maybe even return to dig features also might be time savers.






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 04-18-2003, 10:31 Post: 53351
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Perhaps I have used the wrong terminology. The self leveling loaders I was talking about, has to do with the way the lift/bucket cylinders are mounted with pivot points. As you raise the FEL arms the bucket keeps the same angle in relation to the ground, unless you cause it to change manually with the bucket control. This should not take any more power than a regular loader. Of course there is also the contour following option which is a hydraulic control thingy. It allows the bucket to follow the ground contour automatically, useful for scooping up material from a level surface, or leveling a driveway.






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 04-18-2003, 22:05 Post: 53373
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 New to the board and new the compact tractors

I don't know if it is available for these small tractors, but a clam bucket can be invaluable. Years ago, my company experimented with just two in a fleet of many CK's. At the time you had to operate two levers in unison to make it work properly but I got to the point where I could clean spoil from a lawn and all you had left to do was sweep a bit. The time and back you save can be measured in $$ for a small businessman. The newer models are much more user friendly and every machine in our fleet has one on it!






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 04-19-2003, 03:56 Post: 53377
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I have a landscaping/excavating business also. I use a New Holland TC33D which is perfect for landscaping. The 4x4 and Super Steer options are the way to go. It will pull a fully loaded 6' box scraper with no problem.
Price without loader out the door was $13.500, included in the package was a spring-suspended seat, cruise control, industrial tires, tilt steering wheel.






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 04-19-2003, 07:29 Post: 53387
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Slowrev: I think we're on the same terminology--a loader that rolls the bucket forward automatically during lift to keep the bucket angle constant with respect to the ground. I think there are both mechanical and hydraulic ways to do this.

My point is that most bucket angles used for lifting loose material require power from the bucket circuit to start the dump. Then, gravity takes over and completes a dump w/o power from the tractor except maybe to hold it back. I suspect that some power to move the bucket would be required throughout a lift duration for most bucket attitudes. Any power required to move the bucket and lift simultaneously would add to the overall load a tractor must power. I suspect the issue is there whether the mechanism is hydraulic or mechanical, but I don't know if power required to move the bucket would actually affect lift specs noticeably. As usual, I'm being more theoretical than practical.






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