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 10-10-2002, 11:38 Post: 43654
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 420FEL pallet forks

Need to hear about some experiences with using pallet forks on a 420 FEL. Wanting to use pallet forks ILO of a bale spike to pick up round bales weighing approx 800#. Local dealer has quoted me about $1000 for the pallet fork attachment. Tractor is a 4300 and understand that I'll need ballast on the 3pt.






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 10-10-2002, 14:39 Post: 43658
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 420FEL pallet forks

I have a 420 loader on a 955 and use the JD pallet forks a lot (price of the forks was about $900). Each rear wheel has 180 pounds of cast wheel weights and I have a carry box on the 3 point with additional weight totaling about 500 pounds. I have never tried to lift anything close to 800 pounds.

The Specifications in the 420 Operators Manual indicates that with pallet forks the maximum capacity measured at the pivot pin is 640 pounds. Since this point is well behind the center of gravity of the bale, the maximum bale weight that could safely be lifted to full height would be much less.

I suggest you reconsider what you are trying to do. Based on the JD specs this loader and tractor are not big enough to handle 800 pound bales. It appears from the specs that the 460 loader on a 4700 or 4800 would be better suited.






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 10-10-2002, 16:48 Post: 43663
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Have you looked at a rear bale spear or rear pallet forks? I think that 800# is a lot of weight to hoist in front of the FEL, but the three point hitch will handle that with ease.






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 10-11-2002, 05:58 Post: 43685
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No experience moving bales around myself, but I wonder how trying to run forks underneath bales would compare to spearing them. I suspect that using forks may be best as a two-person operation.

From an older discussion, Roger mentioned that compacts don't do too well with larger round bales (800-lbs. is small compared to many that go past here on the highway). In addition to the weight, they also are ungainly.

I agree that 800-lbs. of large ungainly weight is a little much for most compact loaders. However, depending on what's going to be done, 3ph spears might not lift high enough. In addition, there might be a problem releasing the bales if they're speared at one height and released at another because the spear angle to the ground changes as the 3ph lifts. If that's a problem a hydraulic top-link probably would fix it. It might be a problem because I believe that loaders used in haying sometimes have the float on the bucket rather than the lift.

If 3ph spears won't do the job then my 3ph forklift, especially if fitted with spears, probably would. It wouldn't be a cheap solution and would need a 3ph capacity around 1,500 lbs.






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 10-11-2002, 06:23 Post: 43686
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 420FEL pallet forks

I have moved many round bales with a FEL in the past, We used a spear attachment rather than the pallet forks. The biggest advantage was safety, on pallet forks if you roll the bucket back to much you can roll the bale off the loader and on to the tractor and yourself. With the spear we had you could still move pallets and such, the spears were made of heavy guage 2" square tubing with a point on the end. They were made by a local manufacturing company and several times were used to move items weighing up to 6,000 lbs (2940 john deere with 148 loader). for counter weight we had a 3 pt bale mover on the back and would carry 2 bales at a time (load them on to several bale carrier wagons that carried 11 bales at a time and bring 12 bales home at a time)
If you go with the pallet forks always keep the loader level or slightly dumped.
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 10-11-2002, 07:46 Post: 43695
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Paul's comment is good and true of carrying anything in loaders. Logs regularly roll off the back of buckets and on onto tractors since there's no back-back rest with slip-on bucket forks. The problem is compounded since the bucket rolls back as the bucket lifts unless the curl is adjusted. This issue is one of the reasons why I'm fond of my forklift. I even dumped a bit of gravel on my hood once when I was looking at my box scraper and thinking I was operating the hydraulic top-link but lifting the bucket instead.

Paul: I guess the days are gone, and happily so, when myself and cousins used to walk around with a hay-hook in each hand and fling small square bales 3 and 4 high on wagons. We used to complain about one older cousin who liked bigger bales (about 90 lbs.) than my uncle. The cousin used to think we should stack them higher too.






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 10-11-2002, 08:37 Post: 43697
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Momeyer, I am confused. Are you talking about the type of forks that replace the bucket or the type that clamps onto the bucket?






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 10-11-2002, 12:11 Post: 43704
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 420FEL pallet forks

Don't do it!! Your tractor and FEL are not big enough. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, and please do not kill the messanger.

But if you do decide to try this anyway, make sure you have protection to keep the bale from rolling off the back of the forks, and killing your childrens father.

Ballast that tractor butt!!! and keep the weight as low as possible, so your wifes's husband does not topple over and kill himself.

Make sure the ROPS is in place, and use your seatbelt.

Consider other options mentioned in the replies to your post. You asked for advice, and you have lot's of good advice. Now, it's up to you to decide what to do. And remember:

The opinions posted on this board are not neccissarily the opinions of the members or management on this board. Opinions posted on this board, are for the most part, based on facts and expeieriance of both trained and untrained profesionals, your results may very. Void where prohibited by law. Past performance does not garrauntee future results, people can, and do lose money, life or limbs. These opinions are subject to change without notice. No
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Again.....seriously...Don't do it!!!!






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 10-11-2002, 15:06 Post: 43710
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 420FEL pallet forks

Let's see 800 # that far out in front of the loader on a 4300 / 420 combination.....

Have you given any thought to what kind of tractor you want to buy after you snap this one in half.....

Presuming you're still alive to talk about it....

Best of luck, and I REALLY mean it this time.






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 10-16-2002, 10:55 Post: 43873
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Well, many thanks for the input fellers. Thought the specs in my owners' manual said the lift capacity for the 420 FEL was 1100#. Intent was to use the pallet forks only for lifting small round bales (no heavier than 800#) into tubular feeders while spearing a bale with the 3ph as ballast. Guess with all this experience and practical advise, will have to reconsider. Maybe another solution is to use the pallet forks to lift the feeder over the bale after I position the bale on the ground with the 3ph. The price of the JD pallet forks, however, makes for a substantial investment just to lift a bale feeder. Many thanks.






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