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 | paulss
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 60 Lavaca County, TX 
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2005-07-29 114080
OK, I finally found something I think's a deal and need some input from my TP friends.
I stopped at my local JD dealer and he just took in a 2000 model 4200 4WD/Hydro/420FEL tractor with 920 hours on it. It has been used but appears to be in Good/VG shape. The bucket has been beat up a little and the dealer will replace it. He's asking $8500 for it and will sell me a LX-5 shredder w/slip clutch for $1150. He doesn't sell many tractors under 50HP and says he allowed $8500 trade in on this unit and just wants to turn it. It appears to be a very fair deal according to MachineryLink but I ask your opinion. Also, will this pull a 5 ft. shredder through mostly 3-4 ft grass and weeds OK?
Does anyone know of any problems with this model or is there anything in particular I need to look at?
Thanks in advance for all your help.
Paul
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon 
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2005-07-29 114082
That sounds like a great price on the tractor. The LX-5 price he's quoting you is only average but you probably wouldn't save enough buying elsewhere to make it worth your while. It should be able to go through the tall grass fine but you may have to slow down some at times. Ask him about any front axle issues if you are going to finish mow. The 4200 might be affected by a front axle geometry issue that could cause some turf damage on turns while mowing. JD had an updated front axle to fix that under warranty but not all machines were updated. ....
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| chrisscholz
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 104 iowa
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2005-10-11 117764
I just saw a 2001 4200/4wd/hydro/R4 with 420fel and 72"mmm in great shape with low hours. How much should I offer the dealer? Is the issue with the front axle geometry something that is covered under warranty even for used tractors? (like a recall?)
What is the difference between a 4200 and 4210?
I see the 4200 has a shorter wheelbase than the 4300/4400 so it should turn shorter?
Would this tractor dent my yard when mowing with R4's? ....
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| denwood
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 542 Quarryville PA 
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2005-10-11 117766
First let me say that any tractor is great, but I consider the 4200 the red headed step child of the John Deere line. It is a mid frame compact with a small frame engine. The front tires look and are tiny on the tractor and the bigger the better. It can only take the 420 loader, a distant second best to the 430 loader. The hydraulic pump puts out only 2125 PSI compared to 2500 PSI for the 4300 and 4400, meaning the 420 loader should be stronger on the 4300 and 4400 and the 420 is already weak. The 3 point lifts 500 pounds less 24 inches behind the links. It is exactly the same length and width as the 43,4400 but 3 inches shorter in wheelbase, and only 225 pounds lighter. If the price is truly great, fine, but go for the better models if possible. Should not dent the yard, mine does not even with loader and loaded R4 tires. Axle should not be an issue in 2001, if it has one hydralulic cylinder and a tie rod to the opposite wheel it is the newer one on a 43,4400. Double ended hydr. cylinder is the older style. ....
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| chrisscholz
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 104 iowa
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2005-10-12 117804
Thanks for the info. This 2000 4200/4wd/hydro is clean, mainly used for mowing, the loader is scratch-free and is the 430 model(was rarely used). Some say the 4200 is 26hp, some say 28. The dealer says JD is very conservative with hp ratings, and true hp is usually 4-8 higher than advertised when they dyno the compacts. I was thinking of offering $14000 (500 hours, 72"mmm, r4, 430 loader) Am I offering the right price? Very clean unit. Does the 4200 turn tighter than 4300/4400? ....
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| denwood
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 542 Quarryville PA
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2005-10-12 117812
I guess it makes sense if you can put a 420 or 430 on a 43,4400 and a 420 on a 4200 you should be able to put a 430 on a 4200, JD just does not rate the 4200 for the 430. It may turn smaller if both use the same axle steering angles. If they differ, who knows, JD keeps it a secret in their brochures. $14000 would surely be my top offer, dealers often get more than a private sale, I would start at 12,000 since 4200s are a harder sell. Many private 43,4400s have been selling in like condition and equipment in the 14s. Mine had 299 hours a scraper,a 430, and a 3 pt PTO sprayer for 14,500, but no belly mower. Mine with 32 HP seems fine for all tasks but high speed transport. It bogs down considerably on hills and 26 Hp would surely be noticable on a tractor with almost the same weight. ....
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| chrisscholz
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 104 iowa
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2005-10-13 117825
I will demo the unit first. I was considering a 2210/2305 and this 4200 is so much more powerful on the hydraulics/3pt/loader that I may not miss the extra hp that a 4300 would offer. I here the 7iron 72"mmm cut real well, and that is a big concern.
The dealer has it listed at $16500. I have a hard time believing they would sell it for $13000 with cash. It has sat on the lot since august. How much do dealers typically mark up their units? ....
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| denwood
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 542 Quarryville PA
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2005-10-13 117848
I can believe their asking price, and I can believe it has sat since August. I can believe it will be sitting there next August if they do not come down a lot, but you know a fool and his money soon part ways and fools are plentiful. They are hoping for one. Patience is the hard part. I searched almost 6 months to get one just the way I wanted used. I almost always go with a private sale. I turned a 4400 down for haveing turf tires and a 72 inch bucket for $14,000 with the 72 inch belly, 430 loader and a 3rd remote, 475 hours. Tires were not right and 72 inches is too big for a bucket on a 430 no matter who says different. I was bummin for not grabbing it but I just would not have been happy. Dealers have a lot of overhead and need to charge for it, I understand but I want a deal I can resell if necessary and not take a bath. For every month it sits there it costs them money, interst lost or paid depending on their finances and it depreciates over time. Walk in with green cash, make sure the sales manager sees it not just the salesman, you may be surprised. Take the hard line approach and walk away. He may chase you, he may call in a day. I went a state away to look at a used VW TDI at a dealer. I offered far less than they wanted and refused a penny more. The jerks waited till I got home to call and say I could have it. It is worth less each day. Today my search for a Steiner mower ended. 6 months of searching seriously, several years of wanting. I got a 420 with 60 inch deck fairly good cond. for $2000. worth the wait. good luck. ....
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| Jon
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2005-11-09 119159
john deere 4200 tractor is the worst tractor ever built dont buy. I know you probley already bought it but anybody else looking at one stop. Dont waste your time. i had to rebuild the transmission when it was less than a year old just out of warrantee by hours $3200 to rebuild. I traded it in and got 3500 dollards with 3257 hours, nobodys buying them because they are junk there on ebay for under $1000.00 and still no bids, ....
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