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 10-03-2002, 08:56 Post: 43287
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I wonder what the relationship between the names McCormack, IH, Cub etc.

Last week I saw a poster for a rural festival. There was a kid on an old Cub. It said McCorrmack Cub on the side of the tractor. Yesterday, I saw a brand new bight red modern farm tractor on a transport flat bed. I think it said McCormack and something else on the tractor.






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 10-03-2002, 10:36 Post: 43289
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TomG,

As far as the new McCormack compact and Utility tractors, I read an artical in Farm and Industry News magazine this summer making the anouncement.

I was a small blurb, and didn't give me much info. I failed to pursue it. (which is a bad thing, one needs to keep track of his competition)

Let me give you some info on it's origin. ( And I might ad, it's been a few years since I've studied the evolution of the mechanaztion of agriculture, so I appoligize in advance for being a little foggy)

The name got it's start with Cyrus McCormack when he patented his famous reaper.(In the late 1800's if my memory is correct). The invention of the reaper, made the harvest of large tracts of wheat possible. Couple this with the Invention of John Deere's steel plow, within the same few years, and suddenly, large scale farming in the midwest got a shot in the arm.

McCormack, mass produced his reaper, and through a series of events, opened a factory in Chicago Ill.

A few years later, his factory was in the headlines over a landmark labor dispute that rocked the country, resulting in an angry mob and the murder of key players in the company, and the hanging of union folks found guilty of the murder. The Govt. (I can't remeber if it was a mayor, a govenor, or the Pres. himself) stepped in and pardend some of the accused.

Due to the economic situation in the country at about that time, pre ww1, consolidations and buyouts were almost rampant.

Years later McCormack began marketing equipment under the name Inernational Harvester, but kept the McCormack name on the hoods for name recognition.

For years, International Harvester has been one step ahead of the wolves, only to be saved at the last minute, The invovement with Tennaco back in the late 1970's and the merger with Ford/NewHolland, and Fiat, more recently.

Thier resilliance is almost heroic.

I'll search for more info on the new McCormacks, and let you know. but I would guess it is another marketing strategy to ward off anti-trust problems in the Ford/NH/Fiat merger.






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 10-03-2002, 10:58 Post: 43291
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OK TomG, found what I was looking for.

Due to the aformentioned merger, 2 CaseIH facilities have been divested.

Doncaster England (C,CX,and,MXC tractors)and St. Dizier ,France(transmisions) both were sold to Lanadini SpA. Landini, along with the brick and morter,also purchased the tractor series, and the "McCormick" name.

Old tractor, new name, new company, new dealers(marketed through excisting Vermeer Dealers exclusivly)

Hope this answers your question.






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 10-04-2002, 05:10 Post: 43330
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Thanks! That explains why the name McCormick seemed more familiar than just 'something to do with tractors.' I seem to recall that the labour thing rated a paragraph or two in Am History texts.

Curious how things work. Threat of anti-trust action (presumably in U.S.) produces two sales in Europe. Also curious how the name Landini has been popping up for a few years. I heard a comment that Landini was trying to establish a N.A. presence through Versatile that somehow got mixed up with the purchase of Versatile by Buhler and subsequent move from Winnipeg to Fargo (along with millions in incentive grants from the Manitoba government--another labour issue from the company's perspective). Seems like Landini finally got its N.A. presence.






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 10-04-2002, 07:59 Post: 43339
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Curious indeed.

Found some time, and a little more info last night.

Two of the three big players in the merger CaseIH and Ford/New Holland brought more into the merger than just equipment lines and Buildings. Huge debt. Fiatt it seems, garrenteed the debt for 5 years after the merger. I guess Fiatt is the only guy with any money.

The more I read on the subject, the more I was un- astounded. CaseIH was broke, Ford/New Holland was gonna be broke, if things didn't change. There wer other players involved, and they were in similar conditions.

Fiatt is the one with the gold, so I would expect in the future, they will make the rules in that organization.

You were right about Landini TomG. This got them into the N. American market.


Due to the merger, CaseIH and Ford/NewHollond found themselves with two competeing tractor lines. It makes sense to sell of some baggage. The line they have with Ford/ NH had much better market share. And couple that with CaseIH and Ford/NH marketing units already in place, and it's almost a no-brainer. All they needed was a buyer. And by my estmates, the sooner the better. I haven't seen any numbers yet, so I don't know how much debt was serviced from these sales.

One thing for sure, That McCormick name is still alive. Once again, saved from the wolves at almost the last possible second.

I wonder what 'ole Cyrus is thinking now?









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 10-04-2002, 08:19 Post: 43344
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If memory serves, Fiat bought Ford Tractor Div from Ford Motors (was New Holland already in Fiat?) and then a group within Fiat took the tractor division out of Fiat. Yikes, was that almost five years ago? If huge debt guarantees run out, I sort of wonder about cost cutting that might whack parts support from NH for my 1710. I think parts support for pre-62 Fords was scrapped a year or so ago. Thatís a little more than just a curious thought.






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 10-04-2002, 08:46 Post: 43348
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Tom back at the beginning of ag the country had many different manufacturers. Many of them only built machines used in there area. Thru the years they were bought out by some of the bigger boys so to speak. Freight could not move a plow,tractor,combine from the east coast to the west coast in a week as we can today. McCormick was a conglomerate just like Deere and all the rest. Trying to expand he did change his name to cover some of his more important lines he was taking on as well as not to be just known for the reaper. At one time around the twenties there was over 120 tractor manufacturers alone. There were many plow manufacturers, reapers,and different systems built for the farmers in that area. These small companies are what built JD, Case, IH,White,Allis,Massey and Ford to New Holland. For Centuries it has been mergers and buyouts.






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 10-04-2002, 10:11 Post: 43355
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Oops...sorry TomG didn't mean to alarm you.

The timeline you mentioned left some gaps in my mind, so I went back and re-read the article.

I mis informed you.

The timeline goes as follows, if my memory serves correct.

In about '87 Ford and Sperry New Holland had a wedding, And about two years later addopted a child named Versital. In 1990 Ford/NewHolland got engaged to Fiat, pending their parents(Govt.) approoval, which they won in a few years. The debt is seems was frozen pending Govt. approval.

My problem here was the fact that there were almost 4 years between the engagement and the wedding. The artical I read was dated Feb 2001, and stated that Fiatt would Garentee the debt for 5 MORE years. Big Difference. And I appoligize.

I understand your concern. Such mergers have been known to leave consumors stranded. But not as bad as they think at first, things CAN be ok.

I can remeber when IH sold out to Tennico (Case) and all the IH fans in this area pannicked. And at first, it seemed on low volume parts and specialty items they were right. Later on though, aftermarket companies jumped in to fill the nich.


Even the pre '62 Fords have had some aftermarket companies jump in to fill the gaps.

Heck, we are a John Deere Dealer, and Deere and Company purchased an aftemarket Co. called A & I. A & I carries alot of parts for lots of older tractors of almost every brand I have heard of. Just the other day, we ordered a radiator for an old Ford 9N I'd taken in on trade and was vandalized on the lot. It was about $100. Not bad in my opinion.

So...don't fret yet. It may be an inconvienience, but that 1710 will be in your stable for quite a while.

Yes, I do put enphisis on the stability of John Deere in my pitch when I am trying to make a sale. To some folks, it means something, to others it doesn't.

I still have an old John Deere "A". It was purchased from my Dad's Uncle's Dealership. It was his last sale, before retirement and selling his store. It was the first "new" tractor my Grandfather bought. It was the tractor my Dad started farming with. It was the first tractor I drove by myself.

Who could blame me if I am proud of the fact we can get parts for tractors that age, under the same sign.






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Tom, Had a farmer in my dealership from Germany about two years ago and had an interesting conversation with him. He thought due to the size of just the parts we have at this store we must sell 300 to 400 ag tractors at a minimum a year. Well I wish i did, we do stock parts for tractors 50 years old do to the fact that there are so many old red ones out in the fields still being used. Yes as Mr Ethics did explain about the merger between IH and Case many people were worried about there tractors and equipment. After all it was warranted, that is after the letter they got from there main competion raising the question about parts and service. Today the parts are just as good as they were prior to that merger and the system has only gotten better just the same as every manufacter. In the tail end of the seventies the market took a big down turn as to the numbers of tractors sold. IH had a break even at there main tractor plant of over 75000 tractors. Tough to sell that many tractors when that was nearly the total of all tractors sold of all makes. Parts are always going to be sold as long as people need them. They don't build the model A anymore but you can still find the parts for them just like your tractor in another 20 years.






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Tom, Had a farmer in my dealership from Germany about two years ago and had an interesting conversation with him. He thought due to the size of just the parts we have at this store we must sell 300 to 400 ag tractors at a minimum a year. Well I wish i did, we do stock parts for tractors 50 years old do to the fact that there are so many old red ones out in the fields still being used. Yes as Mr Ethics did explain about the merger between IH and Case many people were worried about there tractors and equipment. After all it was warranted, that is after the letter they got from there main competion raising the question about parts and service. Today the parts are just as good as they were prior to that merger and the system has only gotten better just the same as every manufacter. In the tail end of the seventies the market took a big down turn as to the numbers of tractors sold. IH had a break even at there main tractor plant of over 75000 tractors. Tough to sell that many tractors when that was nearly the total of all tractors sold of all makes. Parts are always going to be sold as long as people need them. They don't build the model A anymore but you can still find the parts for them just like your tractor in another 20 years.






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