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 09-25-2003, 11:03 Post: 64822
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Does anyone know if kerosene is the same as #1 fuel oil, and if so, can youu mix it with #2 to keep it from jelling in the winter time? Thanks






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 09-25-2003, 22:28 Post: 64877
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Kerosene has no lubricants added to ensure a long injection pump life and seeing as some injection pumps do use the fuel for lubrication you might be spending a lot more money to fix then ever realized in savings.






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 09-26-2003, 06:57 Post: 64882
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It's not that I'm concerned with saving a few cents per gallon, but kerosene seems to be more available in my area. You can find it at almost any corner gas station. If I could find #1 fuel I would buy that. I don't want to store a lot of fuel due to condensation etc... maybe only 10 to 20 gal at a time. I am concerned about jelling fuel in the winter...I used to drive a truck for a living and hated to be stuck on the side of the road because of jelled or iced up fuel.






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 09-26-2003, 07:18 Post: 64883
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I can understand your concern! For the most part in our area they do mix Kerosene with number 2 for winter operation. We have a product that we sell called Power Serve that has worked very well for us. There are other products that are probably the same or close in your area. With the years we have had problems here in Central NY we have found this to be the best we have worked with. To fill you in on how good it is, we are on St Route 12 which is a major north south arterial for Central NY and tractor trailers area common on this route. Trucks from the south that don't have the mixed fuel will often pull up barely running. With a stiff mix and thirty minutes later of idling they drive off as if it never happened.






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 09-26-2003, 07:55 Post: 64888
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#1-diesel and stove oil are about the same, and most every oil dealer around here has stove oil. It's also less expensive than kerosene. It smells worse too so it's likely less refined. I think kerosene is mostly an expensive polite version of stove oil.

Anyway, that's what I use during the winter along with an additive that contains both anti-gel and pump lubricant. The cloud point of #1 is around -25F and it gets colder than that around here so I figure that even straight #1 might use some help from anti-gel but I use it more for the conditioner and lubricant.

If I bought fuel from a high volume gas station during the winter I imagine the fuel would already be well mixed with #1 but I mix it myself to make sure that I don't end up with summer blend during the winter.






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 09-26-2003, 08:25 Post: 64894
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Been trying to reply to this for a few days. You can mix Kerosene with #2 Diesel is proportion of about 20% and achieve a good likelihood of no fuel gelling. I would try this as a LAST resort. Why would you do want to do this when you can add readily available fuel additives such as Howes or Power Service (White Container). #1 Diesel and Kerosene are pretty none gelling fuels but also have lower BTU values as well as much less lubricity than good ol'e #2 Diesel. In fact Howes as a no gell guarantee that says they will pay for the tow service if you ever have gelled fuel. I would take this to mean service to get my tractor towed into a heated garage or area as well. A bottle of Howes 1/2 gal. cost about $10 and treats 250 gallons or 1 oz. per 4 gallons of fuel. Power Service 96 oz. Bottle at Walmart cost $10 and treats 300 gallons or 1 oz. per 3 1/4 gallons of fuel. Power Service states that their additive protects from gelling down to -40 and is equivalent to a 50/50 mix of #1 & #2 Diesel. Unless you operate under very extreme & severe circumstances; I would stick with #2 Diesel and a good additive.






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 09-26-2003, 11:18 Post: 64905
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Thanks for the info...Thats probably the way I'll go. I live in Michigan and it usually never gets below -10 to -20 at the coldest nights. I used to use power service in my truck and it worked pretty well so I don't know why it wouldn't work in my tractor. --Thanks






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I heard a story about somebody that bought the wrong bottle of conditioner/anti-icer and did a bunch of damage to a diesel engine. He got a type for gas rather than diesel engines at a box store and the bottles looked similar. The gas engine type contains methanol, which is a no no almost up there with ether for diesels.

I think most people here know that but I didn't when I first got my tractor. I did buy a can of starter-fluid with intent but fortunately read not to do it here. As it turned out I never would have had occasion to use it anyway since I've never had a starting problem even at -30C. These winter starting diesel engine horror stories are mostly history now--at least as long as the engines are maintained properly.






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You mean you cant use a spritz of ether in the winter if it wont fire?






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If the glow plugs or grid heater will not get it to fire. Something is wrong. Ether just risks making it worst. If you absolutely have to use a start aid such as this try WD-40 first. If you must use ether (and I STRONGLY advise against it), the best way to use it is to spray some on a rag and place it in the vicinity close to the air cleaner intake (not so close that is gets sucked into the air cleaner) and attempt the start. Ether is about 50 octane and is extremely explosive. Not what a diesel likes.






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