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Kris From NC
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2002-12-31          46763


Hello, I am looking at two tractors here in North Carolina.The first one is:
TC33D 4x4, Agricultural tires, Live PTO, Gear drive, New Bush Hog mid mount loader for $14,500

2nd tractor:
TC40 2wd agricultural tires, gear drive. $12,700

Both tractors are a two month lease return with 170 Hr. on them.

So here is my question to all that can help. I like the TC33D 4x4 for it comes with the loader at a good price. I then like the TC40 for the extra horse power, but it is a 2wd not a 4x4 and no loader.

I live on about a six acr lot with some hills, but fairly leavel lot. I maintain about one mile of gravel road. I use an old 8n tractor that has seen better days and need to be replaced.

Please let me know what your thoughts are on these two great tractors.

Kris

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2002-12-31          46767


i have been looking at the 33 & 40 both 4x4. i think i would go for the 33. if i could get the price you got. ....

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2002-12-31          46768


I replaced my ol' 9N with a hydrostat 33D 4x4 with super steer. The difference is unbelievable. Traction doubled, turning radius went from several feet down to 30", (no nasty gas exhaust), excellent visablility.
I didn't get the loader, and already had a 5' brush hog. I have the stock industrial tires, and have a feeling AG tires would offer better traction. I can pull a 6' box scraper with no problems on hard clay. Keep in mind if you go with the 40 hp the added 800 lbs of weight , to my mind, will be eaten up (power-to-weight ratio). I use mine commercially and have no regrets. I paid $13,400 plus tax for just the tractor (if you know a Ford employee you can buy/lease a NH tractor and implements for "dealer cost" (factory invoice NOT "dealer invoice" which could be much more). I would never get a 2wd to do loader work, my backhoe is 2wd but it made for that type of loader work. ....

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2003-01-01          46806


Thanks for you help, I went to my NH dealer and asked about the Ford employee dealer cost discount and this is what he told me,"Ever since ford sold off there tractor division NH does not give employee discounts on tractors" Is this bull
$%^&? or what. I have family member that works for ford in NY, how does this work? I am going to a different dealer. I am going with the TC33D 4x4 with the Loader, will buy on Friday.

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2003-01-01          46812


It's bull ##&! I got mine last October and all I needed was my brother-in-law's payroll check stub that had the Ford logo on it. That's all I needed--no special forms, no special codes, no negotiating--nothing. The dealer had the NH paperwork filled out along with a copy of the check stub which was sent to NH. The dealer even showed me the factory invoice stating he cannot charge me more than the price he paid for it---just like when you buy a vehicle on A-plan. (The discount is not officially called by any name, in fact it doen't affect the discount allotment employees get---there is no tracking of tractor discounts).

Just to show that "the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing", my brother-in-law called Ford Employee Relations and they told him that "NH isn't even part of Ford", which is still is, but is downplayed in the public, so "no" he couldn't do it.

In my case I dealt directly with the owner of the NH dealership--so he, if anyone, should know what he can do about discounts.

Keep in mind that dealers are independent so they don't have to sell something on employee discount, however it's in their best interest to--if they want to stay in business.

Maybe try calling the dealer back and ask for the Financing Manager (NOT a salesman) or someone who deals directly with the brass at NH. To some of us $3800 discount is a big chunk of change to lose!
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2003-01-02          46827


I could have my stories wrong. I heard that Ford sold it's tractor division to Fiat around '92. A group mostly consisting of Fiat senior management bought the tractor division and formed New Holland, but perhaps NH existed before the former Ford tractors were brought into it. The tractors were called Ford/New Holland for the first few years, but 'Ford' was dropped from the name some years back.

Anyway, from this story (which may not be correct), it's not obvious that the current Ford Motor Co. has much in common with NH except history. However, stocks and board of director positions do tend to be mixed and matched in many large companies.

A possible explanation is that a Ford employee discount might be the initiative of a single dealer as an alternative to a plain old sale. The notion that a person is getting a good deal because they are a member of some group can be more persuasive than the idea that a dealer is just discounting list prices by so many percent. Such marketing approaches aren't exactly new. Anyway, it is possible that both things happened--a person received an employee discount but NH doesn't offer one.
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2003-01-02          46832


Tom is essentially correct. It is owned by Fiat(Fix-it-again-Tony) and their"real" tractors are running Iveco engines (again owned by Fiat!) The compact lines are still Shibaura. Many dealers are trying to hide that fact and say that they are "made" in Georgia. They are asssembled in my great state and that is all.

Here is the kicker:( New Hollland and Case IH merged in 1999 (under protest of many CASEIH dealers). Since then it hase been named Case-Newholland (CNH). The Case tractors have remained somewhat seperate for now. However, the boomers are now red and in the Case lineup.

The story doesn't hold water. I worked for a New Holland dealership for several years in the mid ninties and there was no policy then and one had not existed since 1986, when FOMOCO began to divest itself of the tractor division( which set Ford Tractor up for the 1990 takeover by FIAT.

Yes, New Holland existed before! it was owned by Sperry, a maker of Hay Equipment. FOMOCO bought it from them( Many Ford dealers already had this line in my area when it happened). It became Ford-New Holland and was so when FIAT entered the Picture. However,it was only a line of hay equipment, nothing else. Fiat couldn't use the name FORD so they used the licenced name left: New Holland. ....

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2003-01-02          46835


Get the 4wd so getting stuck and traction won't be such an issue, remember all the hp doesn't mean a thing if your tractor is stuck. ....

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2003-01-02          46837


Regarding the FoMoCo Employee Discount:

Here's the NH Dealer Support number my dealer gave me if there are any questions about the discount:
1-888-867-8000

Here's the Form Number to ask your dealer about to get the FoMoCo Employee Discount (actually it's the form the dealer fills out to get his 6% rebate or commission).

Form Number DSL US 1555 ....

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2003-01-03          46858


That's good info Jeff. I guess there's the possibility of something like an employee benefit written into the original sale by Ford Motors that has been inherited by successor companies ever since. Such a thing might have been little known at the time and have attracted little attention save the lawyers negotiating the deal. Much bigger things have fallen through the cracks of our current restructuring and take-over oriented corporate executive class.

I forgot about the Case NH merger. It's interesting that new Boomers are red. Red and gray were the original Ford colours and I'm not sure how blue came about.

A historic note at the other end of Ford tractor history is that a Ford son started a tractor company and eventually found Ferguson. He found that he couldn't call the tractors 'Ford' since Ford Motors already owned the name. So they were called Fordson tractors. Ford motors eventually bought the company and they could now call them plain old Fords. There's probably more to the story since Fordson tractors were made into the '50's at the same time as the N's.
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2003-01-03          46863


I've used small two wheel drive tractors/loaders for years. My 4300 Deere MFWD/430 loader will work circles around any two wheeler I've ever used. I don't think brand, Boomer, Deere, Kubota, etc., matters much, the front wheel assist is what makes it a productive machine. I've got R-4 tires on both my 4300 and 4310, and really like them, they might not have the absolute traction of R-1's, but they dont seem to leave tracks in the turf. ....

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2003-01-03          46865


Get the four wheel drive, absolutely. And unless you are plowing muddy fields, try to avoid R-1 tires. ....

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2003-01-03          46869


Yes get 4 wheel drive
I've had a Cub for 6 yrs & I'm constantly amazed at what it can do when I think it can't. ....

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2003-01-03          46888


Thanks all, your help in deciding on my new tractor as been very helpful. Mark was saying not to get the R1 tires why or why not. I plan to maintain a gravel rood which has hills, and work around my house, snow removel...etc.

Wouldn't the R1 be the best for overall work?

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2003-01-03          46915


R 1's will tear everything up (lawn included)
They are meant for plowing fields like Mark said
R 4's give you great traction with less damage ....

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2003-01-04          46923


Some people say that R1's don't really mess up a lawn much as long as it's dry, the tractor is in 2wd and no hard steering is done. Those restrictions don't sound great for finish mowing. I don't mow with the tractor but I do have to cross the lawn to work in our bush so that idea wouldn't be great for me either. On the other hand, when traction is needed on a lawn turfs don't exactly save the lawn. When they spin burned tracks result. R1's might actually produce less damage if they have enough traction to prevent spinning.

I have unloaded turfs and R1's would speed up some operations such as grading with a box scraper, but traction with turfs is OK for simple gravel drive maintenance. R1's would allow bigger cuts and faster ground speeds.

A downside to R1's is that they aren't really good on ice. No tire is great on ice but R3's and 4's may be better on any hard surface where the R1's cleats don't sink in. Tire chains work, but not all chains work well on R1's.

R4's may be a good compromise between R1's and 3's. The downside here is that they have a stiff ride. I drive my tractor on the highway 10 miles to our camp and the ride is rough enough even with unloaded turfs.
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2003-01-05          46985


I am in love again!!!! I went and I bought the TC33D 4x4 with the loader for $14,500. I tried to get a lower price but I couldn't, but I did get weights for the rear rimes and front for that price for free. The dealer also going to delivery my new baby for "FREE" and I live over 150 miles away.

I can't wait for Thursday!!!

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