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2009-07-30          164486


Hi folks I am new here and new to the Gator. I am picking up a project gator tomorrow morning. I was told the engine is good but needs "transmission work". Now I know nothing about these other than what I have read. I assume this has no transmission. Direct drive from the engine through the clutch to the final drive?

So when I drag this home tomorrow what should I start looking at for problem areas? Any help/advice is appreciated.



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2009-07-30          164487


Purple;
Welcome to the form. I've had several Gators ansd currently have an XUV, I think those are the right letters, and so far have never had to get "IN" to a transmission on any of them so I'm not much help but another poster Gatorraider has forgot more about them than i'll ever know. He'll be along to help you out. Frank. ....

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2009-07-30          164488


Thanks Frank. I look forward to this "little" project. :-) ....

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2009-07-30          164490


Purple, will also welcome you here. Question on your gator, there looks to be a step or such on it. Is that right?> If so any idea if built that way or added on? ....

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2009-07-30          164491


I sure hope you didn't buy a turf gator that needs " transmission work" If you did, what you'll be looking for when you drag it home tomorrow is your wallet....... ....

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2009-07-31          164511


It is not a turf gator. It is however big rust bucket. :-) It appears someone built a new frame under it and hence the running boards.

Ok, I do weld so I would worry about that stuff later. Here is the first problem I need help with before I go any further with it. Motor runs fine. It will not go forward only reverse. It does have a transmission. I wasn't sure. I hate some pretty decent mechanical skills so if some knows what I should look for I will be glad to open her up. ....

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2009-07-31          164520


If you split the transaxle case, the shift arm,that goes into the yoke that rides in the shift collar on the input shaft, has a round button on it that sets in that yoke. Sometimes the weld breaks on them and the button just floats around in there. Once you get in there, there are numerous gears etc. that could be bad. That shift collar that rides on the input shaft has a needle bearing on the inside of it that goes bad and won't let it shift sometimes. There is also a spring that goes thru the input shaft that has a ball on each end that holds the collar in gear. ....

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2009-07-31          164523


Dang, that was quick and I really appreciate it.

I just took a quick look and it appears the shift linkage is bent right where it connects to the arm coming out of the top of the transaxle. Is it supposed to be straight there? It has about a 30 degree bend at the first adjuster nut then turns and goes through that swivel joint. When I try to put it in low I can hear a faint grinding noise like it is trying to go in. That made me look at the linkage. When I pull it up to high gear it seems to want to move but doesn't seem to have uhmp to make it go.

Does that help at all. I just got it unloaded off the trailer.

Sorry about my lack of knowledge for all the parts. I hope to learn though. ....

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2009-07-31          164525


I may have misspoke also. After looking at some pictures on the web it might be a Turf. It just say Gator 2x4. I thought it would say Turf somewhere.

I took some pictures but I gotta run. I will post them first chance I get this weekend. Thanks again. ....

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2009-08-01          164553


Here are some pic's of what I have deemed the Rust Bucket.

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2009-08-02          164564


Well, it's not a turf, so that's good. Your shift arm is bent, it's supposed to be straight there. I don't know how much that's hurting you, what you have to do is unhook the linkage and see if you have forward and reverse when you change them by hand, then you can worry about adjusting the linkage. If you don't have forward and reverse you'll have to pull it out and split the case. If you get that far, don't take the side cases off where the axle shafts come out. That't the brakes and a whole different ballgame. I think what you are calling low and high gear is the diff lock lever. Down,the rear axle is locked so both sides pull, up is normal with just one side pulling. The transaxle has spyder gears in it so only one side pulls on normal operation so you don't tear your lawn up going around corners. ....

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2009-08-02          164568


Ok, thanks. I have the shift linkage disconnected and had hoped to try shifting it by hand but.....I had a flat on the front. Went and bought a tube and put it in but the dang stem came right out of the tube when I blew it up. So it sits on the jack. I may try to shift it by hand and see if it wants to move forward even though I will have the jack under till I get another tube tomorrow.

I will keep you posted. Thanks again. ....

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2009-08-02          164573


Ok, I tried it even though it had a jack under it. When I put it in reverse the clutch locks up and it is ready to go. When I put it in forward the clutch just spins and spins and spins.

I guess next is pulling it out. Not sure where to start with that but I guess I will just have to figure it out. ....

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2009-09-29          166023


OK, I finally had some time to look at this thing. I managed to figure out how to pull both rear axles and hub assemblies. I got those out last night and hope in the next day or two to pull the trans-axle and set her on my bench, open her up, and see what I see. ....

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2009-10-01          166101


Ok, I got the tranny out. I put it on my bench and split her in half.

Gatoraider was spot on with his guess (educated I think) lol. The shift arm pin was broken off. All looks really good inside other than that.

I think that is about a $30 part so I will get a new one and some new seals and put her back together.

I will try to get some pics and post them tomorrow if any one wants to see them.

Gatoraider, thanks for the advice on this. ....

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2009-10-06          166192


Shift shaft with broken pin .

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Inside for those who have never seen it.
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2009-10-06          166195


Purple, you can grind some of that weld off the back of that arm and weld that pin back on from the rear and save yourself 80 bucks. I do it all the time. ....

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2009-10-06          166200


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Purple, you can grind some of that weld off the back of that arm and weld that pin back on from the rear and save yourself 80 bucks. I do it all the time.


Thanks, I actually thought about that but the pin is a bit chewed up (not seen in picture)so I elected to just get a new one. I ordered the shift shaft direct from Tuff Torq for ~$30. ....

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2009-10-07          166225


Well, I had a few minutes after mowing the yard last night to put the new shift shaft in. I am pretty good at it now. I put it in then remembered I had ordered a seal kit so I took it back out. Then I put it in and put the new input shaft seal in. Put the input shaft back in and didn't put the spacer in, pulled it all out, put the spacer and input shaft back in, and the dang tension spring in the seal came out. Pulled the input shaft and put the spring back in. Put input shaft back in and spring came out through the other side (outside). Removed input shaft again. Long story short, finally got it.

This may sound easy but is not. You have to remove the chain every time to do this and to remove the chain, you have to hold your mouth just right. lol

I still have to put new seals in the axle shaft housings yet but may not get to that till next week. I have to go out of town for a few days.

So far it has been fun though. Kudo's to Tuff Torq for very fast service. ....

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2009-10-08          166233


I put the seal in last night and put the two halves aback together. Used the shift shaft to put it in forward reverse and neutral and all was well except for forward. Still don't lock up in the forward position.

I will have to split it again and dig a little deeper. Must be something wrong around the input shaft and gears there. The gear must not be locking up when I put it in forward although it did before I put back together. Must have been enough slop to allow it to bite. Suspect something is stripped off there somewhere.

Gotta go out of town a few days so it will next week before I get a chance to split it again. ....

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2009-10-14          166329


Here's the update. I split the tranny again and dug a little deeper this time. I found the inside of the shift collar on the go forward side worn out. I mic'd the locking splines on the go forward gear and they were worn smaller than on the go backward gear so I ordered a new shift collar and go forward gear from Tuff Torq this morning. Each piece was easily half of what JD or Cub wanted for them.

This really is a pretty simple tranny. ....

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2009-10-26          166524


I managed to get quite a bit done this past weekend. I had hoped to post some pic's but my dang camera has broken. Won't power on and then when it does, it won't power off. So back to Nikon with it if I can find my dang receipt. I do have what I call my redneck frame machine. lol

Here is where I am at now. I have the frame rebuilt running down the center using 2 inch x 1/4 inch angle iron. The original stamped frame is by far the worse design they could have for longevity. Powder coating sucks. It will crack and then it sucks up the water and is almost impossible to sand and fix.

So having run two center beams up the middle to support the almost nonexistent stamped frame, I also ran two 2 inch x 1/4 inch pieces down the outside edge of the body and angled it back in to the front frame work. I fabricated cross supports out of 3 inch x 1/4 inch angle iron. I cut one side of the angle iron down to 1 and 1/4 inch to fit where they had to 1x2 thin wall tubing. I suspect the weak link in this one will be the tires. They won't carry what this frame will. lol

I now have the engine back in and the tranny back in. I tested it as it sits in this picture without the axles/hubs installed. Just manually shifted it from forward to reverse and made sure all was working ok. It is.

Now I will continue on with some body work. I am not going to make it like a show car, I just want it functional.
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2009-10-29          166613


I managed to get my pics off of the camera so here are some updates.

First is frame repair/replace. Used 2 inch x 1/4 angle iron. Two pieces. One on each side of the stamped center tub and one on the outside body works.
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2009-10-29          166614


Can't figure out how to get more than one pic in a post.

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2009-10-29          166615


Hey Purplewg, nice work!

When you post a message look for the code instructions above the message box. You use the square brackets to begin and end a picture link as:

[Picture] Picture URL [/Picture]

Just use the letter P instead of the word Picture as I have it above. Repeat for each picture. When your message is posted it will show all of the pictures in one post.

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2009-10-29          166616


Thanks Dennis.

Yeah I am to the point of putting stuff back in rather than taking out. All the little stuff I have had to make takes time. Also the right rear hub only had one lug bolt. The others were broken off. Spent two nights fixing those.

Also looking for that right front fender too. Can't weld that. lol ....

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2009-11-08          166788


Well, I have the gator back on the ground. Put the finishing touches to the running gear and frame. Had to make a shift pattern plate to keep someone from slamming it from forward to reverse.

I set it down and started it up (had run in on the stands)put it in reverse and then went for a spin around the yard. It ran like a top. Then I decided to play and see how fast she would go. She locked up and took off pretty good. Made a lap and stopped. Dang, the engine is surging now. First time for that. Oh well, I guess that is what I get for hot rodding.

I guess it is time to pull the carb and do a good cleaning.

I will post pics as soon as my camera decides to work again. It is still a work in progress but at least she goes forward and backwards and doesn't drag the frame in the middle...lol ....

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2009-11-08          166795


pretty cool to see this coming together keep us posted ....

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2009-11-10          166812


New pics. The camera decided to work so I was able to get some pics upload from it.


Got all the running gear back in.
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Left side.
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Right side.
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Running but not done.
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2009-12-27          167740


Gatoraider, You seem to be very knowledgeable in the Gator arena! I'm considering my first Gator. Looking at the XUV. Can you tell me how this would compare to an ATV 4 wheeler as far as recreational four wheeling on trails, etc? I know the top speed is significantly slower. Thanks! ....

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2009-12-27          167745


I would say if you want a trail machine, get a 4 wheeler. They are set up to go fast, they have stiffer springs to corner better, their center of gravity is lower and they handle better. Have a shorter turn radius and are easier to steer. If you want a good Gator, buy an XUV, I did. ....

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2009-12-27          167746


Do you think I can plow snow equally with either one (the XUV Gator vs an ATV)? And also I'm considering the Polaris Ranger. The bigger model will hit 53 MPH I hear! Do you think that model would be a good cross between the XUV and an ATV? Thanks! ....

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2009-12-28          167749


I think you can plow better with an XUV. We just had a big snow around here and my son used his HPX with a V plow and he was very pleased at how it performed. He did most of the plowing in the V position and then finished it off with it in the straight blade configuration. I don't have any experience with the Polaris so I can't say anything that will help you. ....

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2011-02-22          176963


I still don't understand what a "turf gator" is. I just bought a 04 model 4 X 2. Is that considered a "turf gator"? ....

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Grandpa, basically a Turf Gator is a push-on-the-gas and go. If you have to sit and start it and put it in gear to move, it is not a Turf. If you have a 2004 Gator it should have round headlights and be a T series. If you have rectangular headlights it is pre 2004 and a 4x2. ....

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2011-02-23          176969


Guess I never posted the finished product so here it is. I sold it about a month ago. I was going to buy a new XUV 825i but I emailed the nearest JD dealer to see if they had one in stock and they didn't bother to reply so I will go buy a Rhino instead.

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2011-02-24          177008


gatoraider,
Thanks for the info. I can see that this site is going to be a great source of info. The guy I bought the gator from did not have the owners manual. I ordered one from the JD website. I don't want to do much until I can read the manual. Mine has rectangular headlights, so I guess it's a 03 model. I called JD customer service and gave them the VIN. Even with the VIN they could not tell me for sure what year it was. They thought it was an 03 or 04.
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2011-03-06          177234


purplewg,
Thanks for all the info you have given this new Gator owner. I hope I never have to attempt what you have done, but at least I now have a better understanding of the transaxle.
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