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 | 44trxfun
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 110 western NY 
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2003-08-30 62937
Thank for the comments over the past week; has helped me to narrow my search for a sub-compact. Here's my current dilemma: JD dealer(s)I've dealt with seem to have some of the arrogance I've read about on this board. MF dealer seems much more down-to-earth. This is a better match for me. However, comfort, performance and ease of operation are still real issues. MF dealer was good enough to bring 2300 to my house for weekend trial. Great job, but somewhat rough ride due to hummocky lawn. How would JD seat/suspension compare? Are there any MF GC2300 users who could tell me about their experiences with a loader and/or front-mount snow blower, including operation of the hydraulic control valve?
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 | DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada 
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2003-08-30 62939
I think you will note little or no difference in the ride. The major factor is the tire size and both have identical tires.
As a guy who is now into his third tractor in three years I can tell you this: If you have already noticed a rough ride issue after a short test, then you might be well advised to look a a tractor with larger tires. Your back will thank you, believe me.
Also, even if you look for a model with larger tires, stay away from industrial/R-4 tires as they will put you right back into the chiropractors office.
Turf tires, the longest possible wheelbase and additional weight are all factors that will mitigate the lumpy ride. Springs in the seat have little or no effect in my experience.
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 | Misenplace
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 875 Michigan 
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2003-08-31 62944
Are you able to get a similar demo on the JD ? There is nothing like a good test drive to tell the story. Finding a good dealer is every bit as difficult (or more) than finding a good tractor. you could of course trade up in size, and up, and up. It certainly does make perfect sense to demo a few models bigger ssumeing you are comfortable with the price tag. Another thing I would consider is the popularity of any given model. The AGCO product has been delayed in distribution so at the moment they are a bit behind the 8 ball. The JD is selling as fast as dealers can get them. This will ( hopefully ) lead to more and better aftermarket tire choices for those that sell more units. Also if you like ford-New Holland products they are about to release a new SUB-CUT as well. Dave ....
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| 44trxfun
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 110 western NY
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2003-08-31 62950
Thanks you two!
Unfortunately, I can't get my hands on a 2210 for comparison (though I might if I do some more calling around). Two JD dealers within 30 miles and I wasn't real favorably impressed with either one. I did drive a 2210 at one of the dealers, but it was sold three days later. To order from this one will be a 60 day wait.
Something in my gut tells me if I have to keep expanding my search for a JD dealer I'm comfortable with, it may not be worth it, regardless of the machine. As many on this board have pointed out, when you buy a tractor, to some degree you're also buying the dealer, and their attitude--good or bad. ....
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 | Peters
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 3034 Northern AL
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2003-08-31 62951
On thing to consider is the tire pressure, but definately the tire diameter is a factor and turfs are best.
I would differ with Mark on the subject of springs in the seats. I agree that most CUT have a poor set up, although I have not seen or tested all. I have replaced the seats on a couple of old tractors with the good sprung sliding seats. This is where your whole weight is on the spring like a road truck seat. You definately can tell the difference and believe me it feels good after a bone jarrer. ....
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| Misenplace
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 875 Michigan
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2003-08-31 62952
Yes indeed, that is certainly true. It affects many descions by many people. I would not give you the powder to blow the local dealers and their attitudes right out of the state. The dealer I choose is about 30 miles away. Completely different attitude and even better prices. Not Perfect but certainly better. It does pay to shop and if can find a dealer with in a reasonable drive that some times can be a great option. Dave ....
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| DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada
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2003-08-31 62957
I am thinking Peters is describing something different than a standard design tractor seat. The ones I have used are hinged and only sprung at the back.
The kind of ride I experienced with my BX was not so much bone jarring but being pitched from side to side and back and forth. Constant movement. I would have to grab the steering wheel underhanded and force my wrist against my thigh to "ride" the tractor like a rodeo cowboy rides a bull. It got tiring after a few hours.
I am not sure if more springs in the seat would decrease or accentuate such wild osculations. I tend to think it wouldn't help.
It may be worse because of my size. 285 pounds is a lot to fling around and enough weight to collapse the springs on most seats anyway.
I do know this: I have driven the BX around the lot in low gear at less than walking speed and had to wedge myself into the seat as described above to stay on the tractor. Then I have driven the 4115 over the same course, in the same wheel tracks, at the same speeds and experienced almost no pitching or bucking motions. I was able to sedately sit in the seat and enjoy the ride.
The BX rear wheels are 26 inches in diameter. The 4115 rears are more than 35 inches tall. That is a BIG difference in the circumference, about 82 inches vs. 112 inches. ....
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2003-08-31 62959
would you mind elaborating on the SUB-CUT you were talking about? what exactly is it? ....
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| Misenplace
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2003-08-31 62962
Marks tractor (4115) is the third from the bottom of the 4010 series in the JD line or the largest small frame. It is certainly in my minds eye a full CUT ( Compact utility tractor ) I personally would classify the 4010 due to its frame and weight in the sub-Cut catagory, but honestly this is really splitting hairs. The price difference with FEL and set up in my area between the 2210 and the 4115 is 3k. What you will get for that money is to be honest, well a LOT ! lol. It just depends on your personal needs. The 4010 series offers a adjustable rock shaft, Significantly better FEL options/specs, much nicer, larger thicker tires with more tread choice, I think you get an adjustable draft bar instead of just a hole for a hitch, more weight, essentially the same engine, A single piece tractor frame Vs the two piece garden tractor frame, a full category 1 3pt hitch Vs a limited category 1. This gives you infinately more attachment possibilities. The BX (Kubota) The massey mentioned and now the ford are all sub cuts just like you would have a compact car Vs. a sub compact car. In short...Small Vs Smaller. When I was shopping I really got suckered by dealers into the bigger is better non sense. I say non sense because no matter how big I looked I was told to look bigger. In the end I was looking at 25k and just threw in the towel and said forget it. When JD came out with the 2210 I ran to the dealer and got the first one this past winter. In retrospect that was a HUGE mistake on my part as I did not go back and shop the models in between intead focuseing only on the price tag. I easily could have swung the 3k, got a better machine for MY needs and been happier. Take your time shopping, take as many test drives as you need, but dont get caught splitting hairs in the stat zone. Theese are ALL great machines, you just gotta pick the one that's right for you. Dave ....
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Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2003-09-01 62985
Sounds like Peters is describing the seat on my Ford. The suspension is like a scissors jack where the height is maintained by springs. The bottom rides in tracks on rollers. It works pretty well and even better after I figured out that it's good to lubricate the rollers and tracks.
There are fairly inexpensive after-market seats that have improved suspensions. A dealer might be willing to throw in one if that'd be a deal-maker. The one I saw had flip up arm rests, which I didn't think were a good idea and it was also taller than the original so I just put a new seat on the old suspension. A local hardware store is selling old style cast iron tractor seats made into bar stools. Novel idea, but they were hard when they were on tractors, and these stools don't have a spring under them. Better as bar stools than on tractors I think. ....
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