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 | 2210deere
Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5 New Hampshire 
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2007-08-09 144498
Huge numbers of blown down trees in northern New England so the loggers are harvesting a lot of timber, leaving us with a lot of slash and debris. The 2210 wants to get up in there and do some hauling.
I found a grapple that weighs 285 lbs made by Millonzi. Yu can see it at http://www.miproductsgroup.com/att-ld-grp.html
The company quotes the price at $965 direct to consumer, plus shipping, including the attachment that allows it to go onto the John Deere 200CX loader. Two questions:
Is the 2210 powerful enough to use the grapple?
Does the 2210 have an auxiliary hydrolic somewhere to open and close the grapple?
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 | Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada 
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2007-08-09 144499
I think you're a little shy of grunt for that grapple.
According to Deere your FEL will only lift a little under 400 pounds at 20" ahead of the pivot point, presumably about the center of the bucket or in this case grapple. If the grapple itself weighs 285 pounds, that would leave you with a theoretical lift of about 100 pounds.
If you are talking about green hardwood, it wouldn't need to be much a branch to be more than a 100 pounds.
IMHO, all you need is a couple of real short 2' forks and just use the curl function to pick it up. That will free up a few hundred pounds of capacity.
Best of luck. ....
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 | candoarms
Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1932 North Dakota 
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2007-08-09 144504
2210Deere,
Your tractor has plenty of power to operate the grapple, but it's too small to move or lift much material. Additionally, you'll have trouble finding a place to mount the extra spool valve. The hydraulic lines on the loader can be tapped into for the power to operate it. No need to install a remote outlet.
If you want to move a great amount of tree debris in a small about of time, you'll be much better off using a cinching cable; then drag the huge pile of debris to a stacking point, where it can either be fed into a chipper, or burned.
I believe you'd be better off installing a tooth bar on your bucket, to be used for pushing large piles of branches and twigs onto your cinching cable.
Once you have all of the branches piled atop of your cable, simply wrap the cable over the top of the pile and hook it to itself. When you begin pulling, the cable will tighten down on the pile.
I've moved HUGE piles of branches and limbs in this fashion, in much less time than it would take to move them with a grapple.
Joel ....
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| 2210deere
Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5 New Hampshire
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2007-08-09 144546
Joel, that sounds like a good solution. You've convinced me to cable rather than grapple.
Next time you hook up that tooth bar and cable, take a snapshot. I have a general idea but I am sure there is some finesse in pushing material onto a cable. ....
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| candoarms
Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1932 North Dakota
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2007-08-09 144552
2210Deere,
It's not a difficult chore, so long as you leave yourself a bit of room to operate in.
Place the cable on the ground in a straight line. Push the branches with your bucket, and straddle the cable as you go. Stop pushing when you reach about 2/3 of the way down the cable. The cable will sometimes bunch up, so lift the load slightly as you approach the cable. It may be necessary to roll the pile just as you get them over the hook. From there, you simply get under the pile again and keep pushing.
When you get all of your branches stacked up on top of the cable, take the short end and wrap it over the top of the branches, and then hook it back on the cable.
Now hook the long end to your tractor's hitch and start pulling. The cable will tighten itself as you pull, and you'll never lose a branch. There will be a few twigs that snap off as you drag the pile, but rarely is there a big mess to clean up afterward.
When you get where you want the pile of branches, stop the tractor and back up a few feet. Disconnect the cable from itself and then drag the cable out from under the pile. If your cable hook has a safety latch, all the better, as it will prevent the hook from catching on things as you drag it out.
I wish I could post a photo here. I don't have a digital camera. But, I assure you, this is the fastest and cleanest way to move large piles of tree branches.
I learned this trick while operating a tree removal business in Georgia, back in the early 1980s. We dropped a tree, limbed it out, then and removed every branch in just one trip with the tractor.
Additionally, this saves a lot of wear and tear on the lawn, as the branches just skim over the grass, and the tractor makes just one trip over the lawn. Homeowners loved us for the quick cleanup we provided, as well as keeping their lawns beautiful, even when working with heavy equipment.
Give it a try. I'm sure you'll be impressed.
Joel ....
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 | earthwrks
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3853 Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
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2007-08-09 144559
Another option is a single-arm grapple. They're sold by a few guys on eBay for about $200. They weld onto your existing bucket. But like Murf said they will reduce your lifting capacity by more than what they actually weigh because they have more weight past the pivot pins (more leverage). ....
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| kleinchris
Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 269 Westminster, Texas
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2007-08-09 144561
A comprimise between the what you are looking at and a cable might be a 3 point grapple. You don't have to get off the tractor to hook up, but you will eventually have to drag bigger stuff. I beleive Murf has a photo of his. ....
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