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 09-05-2005, 17:37 Post: 115952
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looking to get a backhoe for my kubota m4900 with la 1002 loader.look at the bradco 511 which is the same as the kubota m4711 hoe .in order to mount the hoe on the sub frame at the 4 points I would have to remove the lower lift arms and vertical suports ever time I hook up .is there different hoes out there that I would not have to remove all these parts for hook up[just another pain in the neck to hook up implements]. my next question is the landpride hoe I saw on the net model 3512,it hooks up on the 3 point lift arms and runs off the loader hydraulic system. but there is a kit also that mount the hoe to the draw bar for more ridge mount are these hoes any good , and is there pros and cons to this type of mounting. need some advise do not know much about these tractor mount hoes thanks






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 09-06-2005, 04:10 Post: 115964
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 subframe vs 3 point

There is a pile of info in the archives about this topic.

I tried a 3ph backhoe B4 buying the one that fits my tractor from the factory.

There is no comparison! The 3ph will get the job done but at great risk to your tractor mounting system unless you are extreamly careful. When you get to ruttin on a stump forget careful it is brute force and lots of ripping.

Breaking a lift arm or top link at the transmission mount did not look to be a cheap or easy fix just to save some money or time upfront.

Hoes need to be on the tractor solid. No short cuts!

Yes you are correct taking off the lift arms is a PIA it takes at least 6 whole minutes. Putting back on takes me at least 12 minutes because I take time to inspect the tractor and lube all the connections.






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 09-06-2005, 08:31 Post: 115971
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Good advice from Harvey.

When it comes to compact tractors, a backhoe with no sub-frame is just asking for trouble.






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 09-06-2005, 12:07 Post: 115985
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After having used my backhoe for about a year now I'm extremely glad I got a sub frame for the very reasons mentioned in the previous posts. You may say that you'll be real careful and not exert to much force but when you latch onto a stump or big rock the heat of the moment sometimes takes over. On my New Holland TC33D and Rhino backhoe I only have to take off my hydraulic top link which isn't a big deal.






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 09-06-2005, 19:43 Post: 115999
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Don't all those points you just mentioned just have quick clip pins holding those arms on? I still prefer the Kubota as I think pricing is very comparable.






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 09-07-2005, 08:20 Post: 116019
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Kubota has both a sub-frmae and 3-pt hoe for my 7800. But..the tractor is already re-inforced at the bell houisng, and there is a different top link mount at the rear axle housing. Hanging a hoe from the 3-pt without the necessary reinforcement is not a good idea. Look at the dipper stick force of the hoe, them look at your top link mount at the rear axle housing. You can see why people on this board recommend against a simple 3-point mount hoe.






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 09-07-2005, 15:42 Post: 116040
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Even the M4900 should use some form of subframe for a backhoe.

The draw bar connection you saw is probably one of the
methods used to keep a 3-pt mounted hoe from rising when
you have an up force exerted by the hoe.

You are right that some subframes interfere with the
3-pt hitch. So much for "quick-attach"....






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 09-07-2005, 15:48 Post: 116042
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yes art I have the quick points at hook up but the lower lift arms come off and the veritcal arms that hold the lift arms up also come off or they have to be tied up some how. also the hydraulic hook up comes off the loader valve with a power beyond kit that when it is disconnected you have to connect the 2 points back together for flow.this also makes it not so fast or easy.I am sure you know what it like to change implements everbody looks for faster and easy ways .art can I used one of my remotes for hook up of the backhoe , one is detent from factory and I added the second remote that is the float . when I saw these landpride hoes that 3 point hook up and also clamp to drawbar thought this was something new and maybe good .kully






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 09-08-2005, 08:38 Post: 116063
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Just looking at this a little closer if the stabilizer had the bolts removed on the front and a pin set up put in you would have to remove that one, the lower link quick clip(I'd leave the cotter pin out) and the top pin on the drop link and pull them that way. Estimated time probably about 60 seconds per side. The rear hydraulics might do you well but the hoe might need larger lines to really perform to it's best but you should be okay. I'm not totally familiar with the system on the unit you are looking at.






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 11-24-2005, 16:40 Post: 119787
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I have a woods 7500 backhoe mounted on a NH TC 29d via 3 point. Unit has 1100 hours on it; backhoe is about 700 hours of the total time. Use it to install gas, water and drainage lines. The tractor also has mid mount mower attachments. I have never had any 3 point problems. I have had to get backhoe main assmbly rewelded due to metal fatigue. If you need mid mount brackets the 3 point is the way to go. If you do not need mid mount attachments then use subframe. They take about the same time to remove.






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